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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>John, You are being too easy on him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My reaction was to tell him to sniff CA glue fumes
for a while. Then he would not even notice the mouse smell or any other smell
for that matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT<BR><A
href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jrpiano@bellaliant.net href="mailto:jrpiano@bellaliant.net">John
Ross</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:16
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] mouse
contamination from the dark side<G></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>One of those messages, I wish I hadn't sent, but just kept my
feelings to myself.
<DIV>Sorry.</DIV>
<DIV>John Ross</DIV>
<DIV>Windsor, Nova Scotia<BR>
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<DIV>On 28-07-2012, at 8:45 AM, John Ross <<A
href="mailto:jrpiano@bellaliant.net">jrpiano@bellaliant.net</A>>
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you still go outdoors?
<DIV>I really do think that you are carrying things too far.</DIV>
<DIV>I believe in taking normal precautions, gloves, mask and coveralls to
be washed afterwards.</DIV>
<DIV>I don't believe in psychiatrists or psychologists, but in your
case I will make an exception.</DIV>
<DIV>Sorry to be so blunt.<BR>
<DIV>John Ross,</DIV>
<DIV>Windsor, Nova Scotia<BR>
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<DIV>On 28-07-2012, at 7:22 AM, Euphonious Thumpe <<A
href="mailto:lclgcnp@yahoo.com">lclgcnp@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><SPAN>Thanks, Joe!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN> Around here, 90% of the pianos have
had mice in them, which is a big part of why I only work on my own,
anymore.* And I have found that even the most extreme cleaning (dunking
action parts in "Purple Power" and removing all felts and rinsing
thoroughly, followed by a month in an industrial-strength ozone
chamber) will not remove "mousey odor" (or dop feces stench)**
completely. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN> If anyone knows of a
technique that REALLY gets these smells out of action parts, I'd sure
like to hear of it!</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Euphonious Thumpe</DIV>
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<DIV>*Besides the unpleasantness and risk to me, I don't want to add
a "sense of value" to something that is a risk to customers'
health, by encouraging them to invest money in it. And when I've
suggested that they invest in a different instument, they tend to
utterly ignore me.</DIV>
<DIV>** I once was given a SUPERB 1920's Emerson upright that had never
been played ( zero wear on hammers, etc.) but had to burn it because the
owners had paper-trained their dogs in the room with it, and the stench
(only discovered once back in my shop) was horrendous! (It was the stench
that caused me to call them later and inquire, whereupon they "'fessed up"
about the paper-training.<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>) <BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joseph Garrett <<A
href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> pianotech <<A
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, July 27, 2012 8:14
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[pianotech] mouse contamination from the dark
side<G><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>There's been an ongoing conversation
about all the hazards related to Mouse<BR>Contamination. <BR>It was said,
by Keith: <BR>"Guidelines to consider:<BR>1) Don't pick your nose or any
other part of your body while working on any<BR>piano, let alone ones with
evidence of mice activity.<BR>2) Wash your hands before making physical
contact with another living<BR>creature during or after servicing a
piano.<BR><BR>And here's a little tidbit:<BR>Don't wait to wash your hands
after going to the bathroom like the signs<BR>say. Wash them before
touching your privates.<BR><BR>That's sums it up for me."<BR><BR>Keith et
al,<BR>Having worked in the medical profession, in another life and
specializing<BR>in Isolation Techniques, derived from employment in a T.B.
Sanitarium, the<BR>following should be considered. (I worked there for
over 3 years and only<BR>threw a "positive" on my final test upon leaving
for better employment<G>)<BR>If someone wants to cross post this to
the Dark Side, please do.<G><BR>Proper isolation techniques:<BR>1.
Always wear disposable outer clothing, i.e. gown, cap, booties,
mask,<BR>gloves.<BR>2. Wash thoroughly before doning isolation
garments.<BR>3. If you have facial hair, (as I do<G>), masks will
not be effective. (The<BR>only effective way is with an encapsulated
helmet. :-()<BR>4. Wear appropriate gloves that you KNOW you are not
allergic to. (many<BR>people are extremely allergic to Latex, which can
put them in anaphalactic<BR>shock and could kill them!)<BR>5. Gowns, etc.
should be made of paper, (disposable), or cotton,<BR>(cleanable/reusable).
They should cover as much of your entire body as<BR>possible and still
allow you to do your work. (special note: your personal<BR>comfort is not
a criteria!<G>)<BR>6. Once the "clean-up" is accomplished, remove
yourself to a "Contaminated<BR>Area" for the purpose of removing ALL
possible contaminated apparel and<BR>disposing of as necessary/prescribed.
In regards to tools & equipment,<BR>Sterilization is definately
recommended. How you accomplish that, is in<BR>accordance to what the
"tool or equipment" will tolerate. (i.e. Autoclave,<BR>Anti-bacterial
Gasing, Antibiotic wipe downs, etc.)<BR>7. Immediately. Wash
Thouroughly...AGAIN! On that subject: IF the sink does<BR>not have "elbow
levers" you need to use paper towels to turn on and off the<BR>faucets.
Wash for as long as it takes you to sing, (to yourself), the<BR>alphabet
song.<G> Similarly, exiting the lavatory/"contamination area",
you<BR>should use paper towels on the door handles and anything else that
could<BR>possibly have been contaminated by someone else.<BR>8. Don
appropriate "Street Clothing".<BR>Special note, (again): The Hantavirus
can be reactivated, as can many other<BR>nasties, with moisture and proper
incubation temperatures, so do not use<BR>plain water w/o a disinfectant!
Also, many vacuums are not suitable for<BR>this sort of decontamination,
so check the specs before use, ....NOT<BR>during.<G><BR>That's the
proceedure as outlined in my experience. I believe it is not<BR>necessary
to go to these extremes, but it's good information to know. (for<BR>what
it's worth). Be careful out there my friends and
collegues!<G><BR>Joe <BR><BR><BR>Joe Garrett, R.P.T.<BR>Captain of
the Tool Police<BR>Squares R
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