<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Who the heck is angry? I sure don't sense that from Douglas. I think the only folks getting angry are the ones who keep getting this sort of lengthy inconsequential paranoid drivel in their inbox.</div><div><br></div><div>Terry Farrell</div><br><div><div>On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Euphonious Thumpe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>Greetings Douglas and anyone else still interested:<br> I suggest you search "diseases transmitted by rodents", which brings up the CDC website, where more than hantavirus is mentioned, and there seems to be a greater concern about these things than by some on this list.<br>Besides the disease issue, though, "there is no accounting for taste": so if some choose to have pianos in their homes which smell or even reek of excrement, that's their business. But I am not one, and neither are those whom I would choose to have for customers. That's my right, is it not? So I ask you to please do some self-examining, to discern exactly why this issue raises your hackles so? If it is a concern for me but not for you, <br>why should that make you angry?<br><br>Thumpe</div></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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<td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">Please, lets lay this issue to rest. Viruses don't jump or fly or live<br>very long outside of a cell. I know, I worked with exotic animal<br>viruses for 30 year and was even in the Biologic Safety Officer at<br>Plum Island Animal Disease Center for a year of that career. Please<br>read the following from the CDC. This should be sufficient.<br><br> How long can hantavirus remain infectious in the environment?<br> The length of time hantaviruses can remain infectious in the<br>environment is variable and depends on environmental conditions, such<br>as temperature and humidity, whether the virus is indoors or outdoors<br>or exposed to the sun, and even on the rodent’s diet (which would<br>affect the chemistry of its urine). Viability for 2 or 3 days has been<br>shown at normal room temperature. Exposure to sunlight will decrease<br>the time
of viability, and freezing temperatures will actually<br>increase the time that the virus remains viable. Since the survival of<br>infectious virus is measured in terms of hours or days, only active<br>infestations of infected rodents result in conditions that are likely<br>to lead to human hantavirus infection.<br><br><br>Information Courtesy of U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)<br><br>If no mice were recently present, forget the HAZMAT suits. For my<br>use, I clean dirty pianos with or without mouse droppings with<br>Scrubbing Bubbles Bathroom cleaner. It is a reasonably good<br>disinfectant and more important is a good wetting agent that prevents<br>dust from being stirred up in the air and breathed in. Once wet, the<br>dirt and debris can be safely mopped up with rags or paper towels.<br>Rubber gloves are recommended. The Scrubbing Bubbles clean very well<br>and do not leave a strong odor like some cleaner. It is safe for
all<br>surfaces on pianos except leather and hammers. I even use it on string<br>felt with no problem. It will clean ALL hard surfaces. I have not had<br>any remaining mouse odor after using this product.<br><br> If you do have a really strong odor, use Ultra Odor Gone and it takes<br>odors away permanently. It comes as a gel in a cottage cheese-like<br>container. Just put it in the bottom of an upright piano and the odors<br>will be gone in a few days. That includes smoke odors after a fire.<br><br><br><br>Douglas Gregg DVM. PhD<br>Veterinary Pathologist<br>Classic Piano Doc<br>Southold, NY<br></td>
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