<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Lest I take myself too seriously… J<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Dale Erwin Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 4:00 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] What?!!<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Comin to gitcha Will. You can run but you....can't hide!<o:p></o:p><div>Dale Erwin R.P.T. Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc. Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S. pianos <a href="http://www.Erwinspiano.com">www.Erwinspiano.com</a> Phone: 209-577-8397 <tt> </tt> <tt>  </tt><o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div>-----Original Message----- From: Encore Pianos <<a href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net">encorepianos@metrocast.net</a>> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] What?!!<o:p></o:p><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_da8de340-b25e-4324-a5e1-4752f08b8a6d"><pre style='background:white'><tt>It's the only way you can have an apples to apples discussion.  It's the<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>only way we can have or create commonly accepted terminology as to what<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>constitutes "rebuilding, "remanufacturing", "reconditioning " and so on.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Unless we define our terms, it's nothing but nonsense where we are talking<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>about "something" but we do not know exactly what.   Ron may know what a<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>rebuild entails, but I may think it is something different, and someone else<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>thinks it something different from either Ron or me.  If the three of us try<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>to converse without defining our terms, where's that going to go?<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>I know what a REAL REBUILD entails, but I'm not telling, and you can't pry<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>it out of me......       :-)<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Will Truitt  <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Of David Love<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 1:46 PM<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Subject: Re: [pianotech] What?!!<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Plus I think the issue with respect to this particular discussion is<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>deciding when it's worth rebuilding and the associated costs for certain<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>procedures versus buying new.  Unless we're clear on what exactly rebuilding<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>means and entails it's pretty hard to make that determination.  Clearly it<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>means different things to different people.  <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>David Love<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a><o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Of Ron Nossaman<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:36 AM<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>To: Pianotech<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Subject: Re: [pianotech] What?!!<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Ron,<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> And you want a detailed list? Why?<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Why not? I'm wondering what a "got it all" "real rebuild" that isn't a<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>"remanufacture" is. I don't have any problem describing what I do to a<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>customer's piano if someone is interested. Why would you?<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>You know damned well what a "rebuild"<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> entails.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>No Joe, I don't, which is why I asked. Anyone who's been in the business<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>since Tuesday has been called to service someone's "rebuilt" piano that<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>proved to be anything from beautifully remanufactured (*extremely* rare), to<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>a crappie shelter that someone blew out the chunks, glued on (but didn't<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>trim)new keytops (much more common), or anything in between.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>do you need to see my list to validate my ability or thoroughness <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>or???? Why is it you can't just take my word? Not following your <o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>insistance  here bub.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Joe, it's not a matter of trust. I've never seen any of your work, so I have<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>nothing to judge by except what you say, and when you say something got "it<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>all", but didn't, then I have nothing to go on except a contradiction. That<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>makes "got it all" empty hype, so I can't help but wonder what was actually<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>done to the piano. I don't see anything at all unreasonable about that, and<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>wonder why there is so much resistance to outlining a rough list of what was<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>done to the piano that produced such a fine result.<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Ron N<o:p></o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><o:p> </o:p></tt></pre></div></div></div></body></html>