<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Paul<div>I didn,t  even read about your fondness for this adjective before I shared this so don,t you get your panties in a wad brother   :)</div><div> u</div><div>Usually when a client calls and said its been "refurbished " I can count on virtually nothing of substance has been done except they got fleeced</div><div><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:100%">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1</span> </div><br>Paul Williams <pwilliams4@unl.edu> wrote:<br><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <div>Y'all are way to uptight in the panties!  Refurbushed is just word like any other.  When I say it, I replace most or all action stack parts, and/or restring (new bridge pins always on restringing), and see to any other crap going on that can be done without "rebuilding".  Get off my butt about what term I use. It is in no way 'rebuilding'!! People who use the word 'rebuilding' are out to lunch unless they do the whole thing.</div> <div>What word should I use? "partial rebuilding", Rehabilitating, part replacing, what?  I'm all ears unless you're going to bash me around some more.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Paul;</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> <div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"> <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Dale Erwin <<a href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</a>><br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, August 1, 2012 9:49 PM<br> <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [pianotech] Rebuilding criteria (yeah, I changed the subject.<G>)<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div><font color="navy" size="2" face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">Can ya give one for<b><u> refurbish. </u></b>  <div> Nowthis is my personal nebulous favorite.  YA know? It was refurbished? Now this can mean just about anything to anyone.</div> <div>Thanks Bill<br> <br> <div style="clear:both"><font size="1" color="royalblue"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><font color="black"><font color="mediumblue" face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> <font color="green">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</font><br> </font></font></font></b></font><font color="darkgreen"><span style="font-style: italic;"><b><font size="1"><font size="1" color="black"><font color="blueviolet"><font color="black"><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">Mason & Hamlin</font><font face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">/Steinway/</font><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">U.S. pianos</font><font face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"><br> </font></font></font></font><font size="1" color="cornflowerblue" face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">www.Erwinspiano.com</font><font size="1"><br> </font><font size="1" color="crimson" face="Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">Phone: 209-577-8397</font><br> <font color="darkgreen"></font></font></b></span></font><tt><tt><font color="darkgreen"><br>  </font><br>   <font size="2"></font></tt></tt><br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br> From: William Monroe <<a href="mailto:bill@a440piano.net">bill@a440piano.net</a>><br> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 7:43 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Rebuilding criteria (yeah, I changed the subject.<G>)<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_af3d4526-fbc4-43dc-ae6d-6b8dad3831a1">I think the problem with defining these terms is that they are so variable from piano to piano - it just depends upon what the piano needs.  For example, I use the following definitions (which I believer are from the Piano Book): <div><br> </div> <div> <div align="left" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <strong>Repair</strong>: Fixing isolated or individual problems that a piano may have - e.g. a broken hammer shank, a non-functioning key.</div> <div align="left" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <strong>Restoring/Reconditioning</strong>: Improving the overall quality of a piano by cleaning, lubricating, resurfacing, or replacing worn felts or leathers, but not replacing parts, per se.</div> <div align="left" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <strong>Rebuilding</strong>: Improving the overall quality of a piano including new parts. Rebuilding may or may not involve refinishing the case.</div> <div align="left" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <strong>Remanufacturing</strong>: Improving the overall quality of a piano, including new parts, soundboard, refinishing the case, and possibly making design changes.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>You'll note, for example, the lack of reference to soundboard replacement in the rebuilding definition.  I don't think a soundboard has to be replaced for a piano to be considered fully (totally, completely, whateverly) rebuilt - others may disagree.  However, in some cases, the soundboard absolutely has to be replaced in order to consider an instrument rebuilt.  It just depends.  So I prefer to define these terms by virtue of the general process, the approach, rather than a specific list of items that must be included in order to consider the piano "rebuilt" (or remanufactured, or restored).<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>My 2 cents,</div> <div>William R. Monroe</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Encore Pianos <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:encorepianos@metrocast.net">encorepianos@metrocast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> That was my attempt at humor.  I do think those terms should be standardized<br> as to what those terms would entail.  We can't help what our customers end<br> up thinking.<br> <br> Will<br> <div class="HOEnZb"> <div class="h5"><br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<br> Of Joseph Garrett<br> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:49 PM<br> To: pianotech<br> Subject: [pianotech] Rebuilding criteria (yeah, I changed the subject.<G>)<br> <br> Will Truitt said:<br> "I know what a REAL REBUILD entails, but I'm not telling, and you can't pry<br> it out of me...... :-)"<br> <br> Will<br> Dagnabit! Thar it is! The same stuff.....nobody's talkin'!<G> This is an<br> age-old problem. Is there a possibility that,...maybe...WE could do<br> something about that?<br> Regards,<br> Joe<br> <br> <br> Joe Garrett, R.P.T.<br> Captain of the Tool Police<br> Squares R I<br> <br> <br> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font></div> </div> </span> </body>