<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 9.00.8112.16448"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>For me; On a second application, the freshness of the ultra thin CA is critical.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=lclgcnp@yahoo.com href="mailto:lclgcnp@yahoo.com">Euphonious Thumpe</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 24, 2012 9:24 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] Second dose of CA?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV><SPAN>But if you are going to flip the piano over and CA from within, please do any tapping in of tuning pins first, as the CA may form a cap over the pins' bottoms which will cause the block to shatter if tapped later.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Euphonious Thumpe<BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial> <DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> erwinspiano <<A href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 24, 2012 11:04 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [pianotech] Second dose of CA?<BR></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV id=yiv51762641> <DIV>See more ca glue protcol. I said this thread would come up again if I mentioned it. <DIV>Maybe someday I,ll compile all the archival footage on Ca glue techniques, tools and storys. It may be a best seller. I could do a world book tour, groupies and glu a holics stalking my every move! Yeah.....</DIV> <DIV>Nahhh. Come on now......I AM smiling.</DIV> <DIV>Have great no ca glue day</DIV> <DIV>Dale<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 100%">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1</SPAN> </DIV><BR>Dean May <deanmay@pianorebuilders.com> wrote:<BR>Yes, you can often get very good results with a second application. Years<BR>ago when CA was starting to be used on pins there were two extremes of<BR>application: one used 4 to 8 oz of glue, so much that glue ran everywhere.<BR>The other put barely any glue on at all. I find 1 to 2 oz is plenty for most<BR>pianos. Do a good soaking on the bushings as I believe that is where most of<BR>the holding power comes from. <BR><BR>You likely have a piano that had barely any CA put on it, so a second<BR>application may be just the ticket. It is cheap and easy to try, so why not?<BR>You certainly won't make anything worse. <BR><BR>If, after treating a few pins, it doesn't look like the CA is penetrating<BR>much, you might try drilling a tiny hole at the 6 o'clock position of the<BR>pin. Someone posted a protocol on this a few months ago for a second<BR>application scenario and said it worked well. You might check the archives,<BR>but as I recall you angle the drill so that it penetrates to the pinblock as<BR>it comes up to the pin. You are just creating another channel for the CA to<BR>travel further into the hole. Sounds like it should work great. <BR><BR>The flipping the piano upside down and applying from the bottom will also<BR>work. Be sure to remove lid and hinges from rim before rolling it over. <BR><BR>If it is only a few pins giving you grief, then remove the pin, squirt 6-8<BR>drops of CA around the hole, re-insert pin. I have never had that not work.<BR><BR>Dean<BR>Dean W May                (812) 235-5272 voice and text <BR><A href="http://pianorebuilders.com/" target=_blank original_target="http://pianorebuilders.com" saprocessedanchor="true">PianoRebuilders.com</A>    (888) DEAN-MAY        <BR>Terre Haute IN 47802<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf<BR>Of Paul Mulik<BR>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:34 AM<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: [pianotech] Second dose of CA?<BR><BR>A school that I tune for has a mid-1970s Kawai grand that's on its last<BR>legs. The tuning pins are too loose to hold a tuning, but somebody at some<BR>point in the past has already used CA glue on them. Is there any point in<BR>another CA application, or is it a hopeless case at this point?  I've<BR>already told them there's not a lot I can do for it at this point, but like<BR>schools everywhere there's not enough money to spend on extensive repairs or<BR>a new piano. <BR><BR>Paul Mulik<BR>Joplin, MO<BR>Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerryR smartphone<BR><BR>-----<BR>No virus found in this message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A href="http://www.avg.com/" target=_blank original_target="http://www.avg.com" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.avg.com/</A><BR>Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5220 - Release Date: 08/23/12<BR><BR></DIV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>