<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"></style><title>Re: [pianotech] mics on soundboard</title></head><body> <div>Gordon,</div> <div><br></div> <div>At Sydney Town Hall the sound guys use Shure PZMs, which they say are pretty economical and the performance is good. They usually place two under the lid, one between the long bridge and top end of the bass bridge (mics usually have no problem getting lows so the low bass will still be picked up with quite good levels), while the other is placed over the long bridge at approximately the middle of the second top string section. They just stick them on with gaffa tape, and no felt between. It tends to work best on the short stick, since full stick will increase the spill from the band and reduce the sound pressure level from the treble which reaches the higher mic.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Lid-shut can be used as well, but the result tends to sound like a "piano in a box".</div> <div><br></div> <div>Lid-shut will be improved if the piano is shielded around the case from the floor to the rim. Canadian jazz singer Holley Cole performed in Sydney with a set up like this a couple of decades ago, and I was impressed with her and her band, and the sound coming out of the piano despite that fact that the lid was shut. For her set up, her sound engineer used a number of large black-foam blocks which went from the floor to the top of the outer rim. These were assembled to form a 'foam-fence' right around the case. It was amazing just how much it stopped spill from the band getting into the piano track.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Ron O.</div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite" cite>And where on the lid, please, Ron? And directly to the lid, or with some felt or something between them; and if so, what type and how thick? (And what brand microphone would you recommend, if you know of one, that is not astronomically expensive, please? And also one that IS astronomically expensive?)<br> <br> Most Respectfully,<br> Thumpe</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> <hr size="1"></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Tahoma" size="-1"><b>From:</b> Overs Pianos <sec@overspianos.com.au>;<br> <b>To:</b> <pianotech@ptg.org>;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] mics on soundboard<br> <b>Sent:</b> Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:52:44 PM</font><br> <font face="Tahoma" size="-1"></font></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Lim,<br> <br> As others mentioned, those mics are PZM type. Their normal location is on the underside of the lid. If they are placed on the rim they will be 90 degrees off axis to the soundboard. They certainly don't belong on the soundboard, unless you are interested in hearing a phase-changing rendition of what the lid is experiencing.<br> <br> Ron O.<br> <br> > Hi list,<br> > Are these mics properly placed? Will there be noises coming from it? 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