<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>That’s not the only thing on their website that is out of date.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>ddf<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>Delwin D Fandrich<o:p></o:p>Piano Design & Fabrication<o:p></o:p>6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA<o:p></o:p>Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell 360.388.6525<o:p></o:p><a href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com </a>— <a href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com">ddfandrich@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Grattan Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:36 AM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div>Hi Del,<o:p></o:p></div><div> <o:p></o:p></div><div>Their website still shows the Pramberger name. Sorry for any confusion!  <o:p></o:p></div><div>Steve Grattan<o:p></o:p></div><div>Lost Chord Clinic<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div>From: Delwin D Fandrich <<a href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Sent: Fri, September 14, 2012 2:25:46 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 Young Chang does not currently manufacture pianos using the Pramberger name. When the takeover by Samick was ruled illegal under Korean law Young Chang retained the designs but Samick purchased the rights to the name from Pramberger's estate. Young Chang still had considerable inventory of pianos bearing the Pramberger name and they continued to sell those. Some dealers may still have Young Chang-built pianos using the Pramberger name but I don't think there are any left at the Young Chang warehouse. All of the Pramberger designs have now been replaced and the pianos currently being manufactured by Young Chang are going in a different, unique to Young Chang, direction. ddf Delwin D Fandrich Piano Design & Fabrication 6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525 <a href="mailto:del@fandrichpiano.com">del@fandrichpiano.com</a> — <a href="mailto:ddfandrich@gmail.com">ddfandrich@gmail.com</a> -----Original Message----- From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul McCloud Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:33 AM To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 Hi, Steve: Interesting.  The store I worked for sold YC products for many years, but is now closed, so I've lost track of their product line.  YC has had their challenges, but they have served the public well with a decent piano for a reasonable price.  I'm surprised that, in spite of the name sold to Samick, YC can still manufacture a piano under the Pramberger name. Best regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Grattan" <<a href="mailto:lostchordclinic@ameritech.net">lostchordclinic@ameritech.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:05:54 AM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 Hi Paul, When Samick purchased the Pramberger name from Mr. Prambergers widow- all they got was the name and not the design or intellectual rights. They put the name on one of their stock designs at the time. The Pramberger design continues to be manufactured and sold by YC as Pramberger Signature Series. Steve Grattan Lost Chord Clinic From: Paul McCloud <<a href="mailto:pmc033@earthlink.net">pmc033@earthlink.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Sent: Fri, September 14, 2012 9:33:24 AM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 Hi, Noah: I agree with Dean. The original Pramberger series from Y.C. was definitely a huge improvement from the G series. There were some issues that cropped up in them a few years later, mainly in the action, like twisting hammer shanks and other things I don't remember. Nothing really serious. You know that Mr. Pramberger was a third generation Steinway engineer, and he incorporated many of the design features of Steinway pianos in his redesign of these Pramberger pianos. One was the tapering of the soundboard, which Steinway does by hand. The Pramberger design used a CNC router for this. It really made the bass a lot clearer and deeper. The tone across he break was very smooth. But, you do need to check everything carefully. I don't think these had the same heavy hammer/key lead problems that the G series seemed to have, and of course, they don't have the famous action bracket problem either. I think Samick got the Pramberger designs from Young Chang in their merger years ago, so I'm not sure if they're still being made and sold with the same name. It is a shame that Joseph Pramberger died a few years ago at a relatively young age. He was a very humble guy, down to earth. He came to our store once, to demonstrate the new pianos he was redesigning. He explained his philosophy and intent for his new ideas, and how he came to work for Young Chang. He joked that he had to be careful about mentioning anything to anybody over there, because they would take every idea seriously and implement it immediately. One of the things he said of his pianos was that he didn't want to build a camel. Meaning, he wanted to make every feature of the piano an integrated whole, not just something that was thrown in haphazardly, as some animals like camels seem to be. His analogy, not mine. In his demonstration, he showed how he used a "thump" test to determine where to thin the soundboard and change other parameters to get the best sound response from the board. It was an interesting talk, made to the local techs and any piano teachers that were interested. Go check it out. FWIW, my take. Paul McCloud San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah Frere" < <a href="mailto:noahfrere@gmail.com">noahfrere@gmail.com</a> > To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:13:12 AM Subject: [pianotech] Young Chang PG-185 First, an apology for having lost my Pierce Piano Atlas. My research online indicates that the PG-185 was designed by Pramberger, and therefore must be a 1995 or later model. However, another tech dated this piano with serial #G054761 as a 1990. Furthermore, is this model significantly better than the G series? Is this a good piano? I know someone who may want to buy it, but it's in another city 3hours away so I don't want to just hop over there just yet. Thanks, <o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></body></html>