<font color='navy' size='2' face='Comic Sans MS, sans-serif'>Nope this was apparently a piano service free zone umtil I got there.  Only tuning and we all know tuning fixes everything<br> <br> <div style="clear:both"><font size="1" color="royalblue"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><font color="black"><font color="mediumblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> <font color="green">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</font><br> </font></font></font></b></font><font color="darkgreen"><span style="font-style: italic;"><b><font size="1"><font size="1" color="black"><font color="blueviolet"><font color="black"> <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Mason & Hamlin</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">/Steinway/</font><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">U.S. pianos</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><br> </font></font></font></font><font size="1" color="cornflowerblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">www.Erwinspiano.com</font><font size="1"><br> </font><font size="1" color="crimson" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Phone: 209-577-8397</font><br> <font color="darkgreen"></font></font></b></span></font><tt><tt><font color="darkgreen"><br>  </font><br>   <font size="2"></font></tt></tt><br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:03 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Perma free II<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_b9d692fb-234e-477e-b5e9-120cf1a8fb41"> I wonder if that action had received a heavy dose of methyl alcohol before you got there. <div>David Love<br> <a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a><br> (sent from bb)</div> <hr> <div><b>From: </b> Dale Erwin <<a href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</a>> </div> <div><b>Sender: </b> <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> </div> <div><b>Date: </b>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:48:15 -0400 (EDT)</div> <div><b>To: </b><<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>></div> <div><b>ReplyTo: </b> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </div> <div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [pianotech] Perma free II</div> <div><br> </div> <font color="navy" size="2" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">I just pinned a B from a college. 8 yrs old. I have the opposite issue as you David. Seems like they were aiming at zero friction. The rep levers and hammer flanges were repinned Friday...boring job. Pro felted the keybushings. Big improvement. I glued riser felts on the wippens supports to keep the hammers from flopping down into backcheck canyon and then jamming against the rocksa...I mean backchecks. </font> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">All in all the sound improved, the action feels more solid. It went from 0-1 gram friction prior to my  new pinning at 3 or 4 grams quite </font><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">consistently<font size="2"> for the hammer flanges.</font></font> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><font size="2">The  rep lever went from a sloppy fit with a number 20 center pin and negative friction and a mushy bushing to now I have enough friction to increase the rep spring tension and prevent the jamming jack issues with a 21 1/2 center pin. Jack pinning was crap too but hey no money. </font></font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">And why do people use these substandard parts.  Oh that's right! Now I remember. </font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> See Ron I still have brain cells. Yup...they're gen-u-whine Steinway parts.<br> </font><br> <div style="color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; clear: both; "><font size="1" color="royalblue"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><font color="black"><font color="mediumblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> <font color="green">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</font><br> </font></font></font></b></font><font color="darkgreen"><span style="font-style: italic;"><b><font size="1"><font size="1" color="black"><font color="blueviolet"><font color="black"> <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Mason & Hamlin</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">/Steinway/</font><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">U.S. pianos</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><br> </font></font></font></font><font size="1" color="cornflowerblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.Erwinspiano.com" target="_blank">www.Erwinspiano.com</a></font><font size="1"><br> </font><font size="1" color="crimson" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Phone: 209-577-8397</font><br> <font color="darkgreen"></font></font></b></span></font><tt><tt><font color="darkgreen"><br>  </font><br>   <font size="2"></font></tt></tt><br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt; ">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Ed Foote <<a href="mailto:a440a@aol.com">a440a@aol.com</a>><br> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:47 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Perma free II<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_ddf09028-7353-407a-9b1a-0b350a0ee154" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Greetings, It appears that even the manufacturer is unable to control the pinning, so good luck. Pinning these is like trying to shovel sand. And that is what it seems like as you repin the action, only to see it begin to flop loosely around, springs having a carnival with the rep pinning so loose, etc. I have reamed them out to the loosest allowable amount and seen some success, but a year later, there is still a few here and there that have either regained their grip, or given up the grams and are floppy loose. I think this may be one of the reasons that the WNG hard bushings will be a prime attraction for the new composite parts, never mind the stability of the flanges! Regards, Ed Foote RPT <a target="_blank" href="http://www.piano-tuners.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html">http://www.piano-tuners.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html</a> -----Original Message----- From: David Love >>I've got a Steinway action that is seizing everywhere: jacks, hammer flanges, etc. Anyone found a good controllable solution short of repinning everything or changing parts? I know, alcohol/water w/ heat is the recommended approach but it produces very inconsistent results in the hammer flanges in my experience.David Lovewww.davidlovepianos.com(sent from bb) </tt></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font> </div>  </div> </font>