<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Richard. </div><div><br></div><div>This piano had termite damage. I see this kind of damage a lot. Did you ask the customer of the piano was tested before they left Hawaii?  If not it would be a good idea to have that done before returning the piano to them. They need to pay for that. Here the mover charges for both moves and the treatment but I get a little discount for the second move. </div><div><br></div><div>Carpenter Ants, on the other hand, are a different matter. They don't eat the wood, but leave a black tar substance that is very hard to remove. I have to use a chisel and rag to remove it from keys and key beds or any other surface </div><div><br></div><div>Wim<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:52 PM, "Richard W. Bushey" <<a href="mailto:rbushey4@embarqmail.com">rbushey4@embarqmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> <meta content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19328"> <style></style> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Termites or Carpenter Ants? Since pianos from Hawaii and termite damage was brought up, thought I'd share some pics with you.  Just replaced the bottom board of this piano just 2 weeks ago.  Had ant (or termite) damage back in 2004 and the piano did come from Hawaii.  I'm thinking I saw something in the tecnician's notes about an ant colony that was exterminated in 2004.  I service Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo. and this was from a military family who must have been stationed in Hawaii at some point.</font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Anyway, I'm really not sure how they used the piano from then til now, but the pedals were sure in unuseable condition when I found them.  </font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Tilted on it's back, and the bottom board off, there was no evidence of damage in the main case at all, only the bottom board.  Why, don't know, but I guess they were very lucky.  I inspected the entire piano and saw no evidence of them anywhere else and the piano tuned very well. Boy was I glad.  Those critters can sure do alot of damage in a short amount of time!  If the damage had been more extensive, I'd likely walked away from the job, but it looked pretty contained.</font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">The pics are in no order, and some who like to look at things really close will be bothered by the fact that in the tilted picture the pedals don't look right, that's because they weren't hooked up yet.  Same with one of the pics on the table saw.</font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Always interesting things to find in this profession.  Keeps life exciting!</font></div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div>Richard W. Bushey<br>Richard's Piano Service<br><a href="http://www.RichardsPianoService.com">www.RichardsPianoService.com</a><br><a href="mailto:Rbushey@RichardsPianoService.com">Rbushey@RichardsPianoService.com</a><br>573-765-9903</div> <div> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="pwilliams4@unl.edu" href="mailto:pwilliams4@unl.edu">Paul Williams</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 26, 2012 5:14 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] Opinion on Termite Damaged Piano Requested</div> <div><br></div> <div>Open one can of worms…then 10 others rear their heads!  Sounds like Halloowweeeeenn!  Be very careful on this one, buddy! Really a  keyframe?  Sounds pretty scary! </div> <div><br></div> <div>Maybe or maybe not. I guess a visit first is in order. It might be worth the visit to like or take the job, or run run as fast as you can.  You never know.  Never take a job on over the phone DAMHIK!!!!</div> <div><br></div> <div>To Wim,  I would say run away from it. Termites are damage.  They go into everything! Can't even see the extra damage yet until you pull the plate, etc.  You should know by now in the land we all like to vacation in! Ahhhh….Hawaii!  For the next 6 months, I would love to be there…..Winter's coming in soon buddy!  Celebrating 37 today as a high temp!   Have to put my Keen's away for the winter and I hate that!</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div>Paul</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> <div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: left; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </span>Terry Farrell <<a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </span>Friday, October 26, 2012 5:00 PM<br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span>Re: [pianotech] Opinion on Termite Damaged Piano Requested<br></div> <div><br></div> <div> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">This isn't my piano - but rather a potential client's who may have me do a belly job on it. He is aware that the keyframe is all chewed up. He has made arrangements for a new keyframe (<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#ff0018">AHHH!!!</font>). <div><br></div> <div>One thing I do know is that there CAN be major problems. Like a Knabe 6' (or so) grand that I used to service at a hospital. I told them the thing was termite infested. But they didn't do anything about it until one morning when they came to work and found the piano down on the floor (as in not on its legs). The termites had eaten the keybed and the legs broke off.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Terry Farrell</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Oct 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM, <a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>Terry<br><br>How much are you going to in the rebuilding process?  I recently rebuilt a Baldwin F because it was in a fire. But it also had considerable termite damage, especially on the action frame. So be sure to pull the action and check for termite damage, (remove the stack and take off the keys). Other than that you shouldn't have any problems<br><br>Wim<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Terry Farrell <<a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br><br> <blockquote type="cite">I'm looking for some opinions on the wisdom of rebuilding a 9' Knabe concert grand that has some termite damage. A client of mine owns the piano. I have my own opinion. I'm just wondering what others experience may have taught them.<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">There appears to be relatively minor damage in several areas of the piano: rim braces, rim, keybed, etc. One can find only one or two smallish galleries in these areas.<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">IMHO, one would have to pretty much destroy much of the piano to be sure about how much damage there might be.<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Presumably the termite activity is not active. The piano was shipped to a fumagation facility and it was gassed in their fumagation chamber. Then the piano was moved back to the home and then the entire home was tented and fumagated. So, I can only assume that if fumagation does indeed work, any termites that were in there are all dead.<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Thoughts?<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Thanks.<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Terry Farrell<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></span></blockquote>  <br><hr>I am using the Free version of <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len">SPAMfighter</a>.<br>SPAMfighter has removed 1022 of my spam emails to date.<br><br>Do you have a <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen">slow PC?</a> Try free scan! </div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><102_7396.JPG></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><102_7397.JPG></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><102_7414.JPG></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><Ants or termites destroyed pedal mou.JPG></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><Ants or Termites ruin piano bottom b.JPG></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><Bottom board installed.JPG></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><Polished pedals on new bottom board.JPG></div></blockquote></body></html>