<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18702"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Another thing is that if the piano went for enough years without being tuned and needed a double tuning, who knows how it reacted.   Now 20 years later in all kinds of conditions, anything may happen.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>William</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tnrwim@aol.com href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:19 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] high and outside</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=black size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not meant to start something......<BR><BR>However, I can see - no - way an ETD can do such a tuning. It almost - had - to <BR>be an aural tuning.<BR><BR>Or the piano reacted that bad.<BR><BR>Duaine<BR><BR>The other, and more probably reason, Duaine, is that the tuner using an ETD forgot to switch to the next note, and tuned the whole bass section with the note set one or two higher. But because the tuner couldn't, or didn't, check his/her tuning aurally, didn't know the piano was being tuned wrong. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wim</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV style="CLEAR: both"> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><BR>To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Sat, Oct 27, 2012 6:37 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [pianotech] high and outside<BR><BR> <DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 12px" id=AOLMsgPart_0_49929d94-c06b-4259-b945-08480a897cab><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>On 10/27/2012 11:16 PM, Ron Nossaman wrote: > > This morning, I tuned (at) a Whitney console. The lady said the last tuner had tuned it twice a couple of years ago. I > assumed it had needed a pitch raise. Inside, the card indicated a February 2010 date, and RH reading of 34%. I > stripped it up and found the center about 30¢ sharp! I couldn't see anything good coming of me trying to explain that > I needed to do a pitch lowering on a piano that had been pitch raised 2-1/2 years ago, so I just pressed on. > > As I went over the piano, I found the bass (all of it) slightly flat, the center 30¢ sharp, F-5 to F-6 almost on > pitch, suddenly going to well over a half semitone sharp from there on up. Bizarre! There is no way this piano was > anywhere near being in an acceptable state of tune when the last tuner left it. The uniformity of the aberrations > indicated that what was done was intentional, but I saw no sense at all to the pattern. > > Even being all wild strings in the top half, which is characteristic of the breed, it sounded a whole lot better when > I left it. Better than she's ever heard it, in fact. If she calls next year as I suggested, we'll both win. > > The kind of work that's being done out there scares me. > Ron N > Not meant to start something...... However, I can see - no - way an ETD can do such a tuning. It almost - had - to be an aural tuning. Or the piano reacted that bad. Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / <A href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</A> / <A href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target=_blank>www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</A> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years </TT></PRE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>