<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">What is your pitch raise method John? I know many techs say they do a pitch raise in 20 minutes or so. I usually take about 40 to 45 minutes. I would very much like to speed up my technique.<div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Terry Farrell</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:48 AM, John Formsma wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I have tried it...with poor results each time. <div><br></div><div>A pitch raise usually takes me only 15-20 minutes, so it's not like I'm saving much time. And I've given away huge amounts of accuracy with the "blind" method.</div> <div><br></div><div>-- <br><div>John Formsma, RPT<br></div><div>Blue Mountain, MS</div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Terry Farrell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I've never attempted a blind overpull,</div></blockquote> </div><div><br></div><div>CHICKEN!!!!!!!!  Boy, not me though. I've done it a couple of times - VERY fast and VERY easy.</div><div><br></div><div>And then I spent a half-hour pulling in strings that ended up 50 cents off this way and that, etc., etc.  My attempts were disastrous. But hey, I tried it!  I just don't see how it would be possible to do a blind pitch raise and get everything within a couple cents - or even all within an average of a couple cents.  But then, there are lots of things I find difficult to do - very often just because I am not skilled at it. I dunno - maybe with practice. But even with practice, it just doesn't seem likely to come close enough. I'd really like to watch someone do a "good enough" 60-cent pitch raise blindly and have the piano ready for a good one-pass tuning (i.e. have the piano within a few cents of target for tuning pass). It would be very interesting.</div> <div><br></div><div>Terry Farrell</div><br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:11 AM, paul bruesch wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks Joe,<div><br></div><div>I do "do the math", or at least very rough math, to compensate for the restrictions imposed by only having 25% or 34% options. I thought Terry's statement that he uses the Sanderson method meant that he was using a SAT and that maybe his SAT was capable of calculating different percentages than my SAT3... he's since clarified that. (Thanks, Terry!)</div> <div><br></div><div>I've never attempted a blind overpull, and don't plan to any time in the foreseeable future. Even after (only) 8 years at this I don't feel comfortable enough to try it.</div> <div><br></div><div>Paul Bruesch</div><div>Stillwater, MN<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Joe Goss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com" target="_blank">imatunr@srvinet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><font face="Arial">hi     Paul,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">if you do the math you can make the sat do any thing. on most pianos I measure a2 if it is say 40 cents flat I change it to 20 and enter.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"> tune the bass. measure the first tenor note. if it is a spinet I deduct 5 percent from the reading and enter. large pianos 25 percent.  recheck at </font></div> <div><font face="Arial">Bb 4 or C 5 depending on how many notes are left before the break 25 percent re check at break and f6 c7 each time using 25 percent</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">I do check along the way and like to have the newly tunes note sharp of the octave and sort of in the ball park with the 4th and 5th..</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">around f6 I tune and leave the first and second string about 3 to 5 cts sharp and zero in the 3rd string. Check with ear and re tune if needed.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">The process takes me about 45 minutes with the piano ready to tune 15 to 30 minutes or 1:30 Min</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">the above is done using heavy test blows.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Never have been successful with the blind over pull,it always results in me re tuning a squirrely piano several times to get it stable.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">The above tuning is done with heavy test blows</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"><br>Joe<br><br></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div><br> </div> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>