<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>And of course let's remember that many of these pianos were designed for A-435, or maybe even something else. It would be nice to know for sure! (Maybe some genius on this list with a reliable way to discern such will speak up.) As long as the customer is not playing along with a radio or idiophone, why not tune it to the pitch it was built for, and cut down breakage risk along with making it sound correct?<br /><br />Thumpe</div></td></tr></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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<td valign="top" style="font:inherit;">Interesting observations. Kind of hard for me to try that in a customers home.<BR>I will beg off when I'm worried that the piano can't survive a large raise.<BR><BR>Bye the way, no golf weather, but thankfully no hurricans, or snow storms .<BR><BR>Thanks, Carl<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Farrell" <<a ymailto="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com" href="javascript:return">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</a>><BR>To: <<a ymailto="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" href="javascript:return">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><BR>Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:24 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Was high and outside now silent pitch lowering<BR><BR><BR>Yes, strings can break. You take precautions to minimize the chance. And then you raise pitch. On a 100 year old piano, I'll be hesitant to go with more than 30 cents or so overpull in the high
treble.<BR><BR>I do a lot of pitch raises, and among 60-cent pitch raises on 100 or so year old pianos, I'd say that better than 90 percent are done without strings breaking. Sometimes you'll have one or two break, and sometimes they all just start popping - but not often.<BR><BR>I had a 1900 Everett grand in original worn & rusted to the nub condition in my shop a couple years ago. Just for fun I wrenched on a good number of tuning pins with the AccuTuner on to measure how high I could pull strings sharp before breaking. On this particular piano, in the tenor and treble, I was able to pull all of them 100 cents sharp without breaking and many went 200 cents without breaking. None made it to 300 cents.<BR><BR>If they break, and you lower pitch prior to pulling it up, then the string was weak to begin with - or the scale was horrible.<BR><BR>And anyway, starting about this time of year, it's too cold in Winnipeg to do anything anyway! Eat a big meal
and hibernate until spring breaks! ;-)<BR><BR>Terry Farrell<BR><BR>On Nov 1, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Carl wrote:<BR><BR>> I've been reading many, not all, of these (high and outside) posts for a couple of weeks now, and only<BR>> one fellow brought up the possibility of broken strings on pitch raises. I 've had many pitch raise<BR>> needs and always worry about the possibility of breakeage. I'm aware that a piano 10 or 15 years<BR>> old can be raised without much worry, but many are considerably older, and look and feel like all<BR>> the strings might break with an even 10 cent raise. That's likely an exageration, but all you need is<BR>> one string to break, and this adds considerable time to a tuning, plus other factors , such as cost<BR>> for the extra work . ????????<BR>> <BR>> CT - Winnipeg. <BR><BR></td>
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