<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> <div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">According to your words, "(If) There is nothing wrong with using a ETD" then <br> what is the use of aurally setting the <br> temperament for the test ?<br> <br> I ask again, why not change the test to put the emphasis on testing for <br> stability and unisons ?????<br> <br> Duaine<br> <br> Now you're doing the same thing you got mad at us for. You asked why you can't use the pitch pipe to set the temperament. Several of us gave you the reason , and I asked you to do your own experiment. But now you're turning this into an argument for only using an ETD on the tuning exam, and not being required to aurally set the temperament. You're changing the subject. </font></div> <div> </div> <div>You asked a legitimate question, and I, and other gave you legitimate, truthful answers. But you don't want to hear the truth, because you can't handle the truth. So forgive me, Duaine. But you've just struck out, Again.</div> <div> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div></div> <div style="clear: both;"> <div> </div> </div> <div></div> <div></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:56 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Possible adaptation for the Tuning Exam<br> <br> <div style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="AOLMsgPart_0_429ed8d4-db02-45b5-9197-1ec5e1c36e81"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>On 11/10/2012 08:25 PM, <a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote: > Duaine. > Instead of us answer the question, "can a pitch pipe be used to set a temperament?", why don't you figure this out > your self. You use a RCT, which is a very good ETD. Program the RCT as if you were going to tune the whole piano. > Then take a pitch pipe and tune the temperament octave, matching the piano as close as you can with the pitch pipe. > Then check the temperament octave with what the RCT says. No cheating. If the RCT is not dead on with each string you > tuned, then you've not tune the temperament correctly. > Duaine, many of us have a lot more experience tuning pianos, and have been doing it far longer than most of us care to > admit. Don't you think that after 40, 50 ,or even 60 years, the collective us have tried almost every means possible > to tune a piano, and have found that the best way is still tuning the piano using the senses God gave us. There is > nothing wrong with using a ETD, but in the final analysis, it's our ability to hear to music of the piano that > produces the best results. I don't understand why you won't accept that. > Wim > According to your words, "(If) There is nothing wrong with using a ETD" then what is the use of aurally setting the temperament for the test ? I ask again, why not change the test to put the emphasis on testing for stability and unisons ????? Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / <a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> / <a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years </tt></pre> </div>  </div> </font>