<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> <div></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"><blockquote style="padding-left: 3px; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><pre><tt><tt>Some how we have gotten off track. I'm talking about just to pass the tuning exam. Duaine </tt></tt></pre></blockquote></div> <div>Duaine</div> <div> </div> <div>First of all, the tuning exam is not going to change from what it is. if you want to have a chance at changing it, you're going to have to become an RPT, make your way on the ETS committee, and then make a recommendation for a change, which will then have to pass Council. Good luck with that. </div> <div> </div> <div>Second. The first part of the tuning exam is tuning the middle two octaves, including the temperament octave, aurally. (Not using an ETD). I guess you could use tuning forks to match each note of the temperament octave, but two things. First, assuming that the forks are calibrated correctly, you would have to make sure each note is dead on with each of the 12 forks. That alone is a lot of work. And then second, because the harmonics of each piano is just a little different, you would probably need to tweak each note to fit into the temperament. And that just gives you one octave. You would still have to tune the other octave by ear, not using the forks. All in all, you would be better off just starting with one note, and tune the middle two octaves the "old fashioned way". </div> <div> </div> <div>The bottom line, Duaine, is that using forks, or pitch pipes, to tune a piano is not going to give you a tuning that will pass the exam. And it probably won't give you a tuning that will be pleasant to listen to.</div> <div> </div> <div>WIm</div> <div></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:10 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Possible adaptation for the Tuning Exam<br> <br> <div style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="AOLMsgPart_0_dd93b090-8f6a-4ea8-b0bd-d6e567e19402"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Some how we have gotten off track. I'm talking about just to pass the tuning exam. Duaine On 11/11/2012 12:06 PM, John Ross wrote: > That would give you a generic temperament for one style of piano. > The result would not be refined, as would a good aural tuning or proper use of a good ETD give you. > This from someone, who when he found that a good ETD would give him a consistently good tuning and has been using one > since 1975. > I had a mishap once when the machine broke down. I found that my aural skills were not good enough, so I purchased a > spare ETD. > I have had a university contract for over 20 years. They have 41 pianos. > Dropped the contract when I turned 70, but after one year of not doing them, they encouraged me to come back, and with > a raise. > So an ETD can result in a comfortable living being made. > End result is that the customer must be satisfied with your work, then they will get you back again. > I have been to approaching 20 conventions, and they have all been a positive experience, and well worth the expense. > John Ross > Windsor, Nova Scotia -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / <a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> / <a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years </tt></pre> </div>  </div> </font>