In order to do this job without making a second trip, you have to already have a set of elbows with you AND the time to do the job. If you don't also have time for the tuning, you'll have to return anyhow. And I agree, if you break one of the wippen flanks, or "wings," you'll have to take the action out to repair it, unless you're really good with tweezers, CA glue, whatever. Why not just take the action to the shop, where you can also tighten flange screws, file hammers, blow out dust and whatever else? Besides, you don't have to worry about all those plastic crumbs flying all over the client's carpet. Woops, I forgot -- everyone has hardwood floors now -- not as comfortable to work on. --David Nereson, RPT <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Dean May <<a href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com" target="_blank">deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div link="blue" vlink="blue" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="EN-US"> <div> I also usually do this job with action in the piano, especially if there are no clicks as you say, Laura. But I make it a 2 trip job. I snap off all the elbows and gather the stickers to take into the shop. I have slave labor, my younger children, finish cleaning the plastic off the sticker wires and putting the new elbows on. But there is one more step I like to do. These usually have wooden buttons for adjusting lost motion with green felt glued on the sides around the bottom. I find that this felt swells over the years and tends to cause binding, especially when you adjust it out of a position that it has held for 50 years. So I twirl them against the disc sander to remove about half of that green felt on the sides of the button. This leaves plenty of felt to keep them quiet but eliminates all binding. Second trip back I just snap stickers and elbows into place, adjust lost motion, done. <div> Dean Dean W May (812) 235-5272 voice and text PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY Terre Haute IN 47802 </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Laura Olsen Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 4:23 PM<div class="im"> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: [pianotech] elbows</div> </div> Joseph,<div class="im"> <div> <div> You seem to presume that we have trouble removing spinet actions and find it..."distasteful". I find this an offensive leap. I didn't get that from the messages I read. We all do things a little differently and sharing those different techniques is one of the pleasures of this list. You don't need to make it sound like we are inept. Some may and some may not need practice with that skill. </div> <div> There are many reasons to pull spinet actions but why turn a "one trip" job into a "two trip" job if nothing is "clicking"? As I said in my original post, it's not uncomfortable for me to sit cross-legged on the floor in front of the piano and do this job. I'll bet I'm shorter then you. I know I'm shorter than Wim and many others on this list! </div> <div> </div> <div> Just seemed kind of "snarkey", Joseph. </div> <div> </div> <div> Laura </div> <div> <div> <div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Joseph Giandalone wrote: </div> <div style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div> <div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div> </div> <a></a>No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5414 - Release Date: 11/23/12 </blockquote></div>