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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree. You don’t really want there to be a significant difference between how the key feels when you play with or without the pedal. Too much tension in that spring or too early a pick up and when you play without engaging the pedal the action fights you too much. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David Love<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.davidlovepianos.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Erwin<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 02, 2012 2:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> pianotech@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] Yamaha Uprights<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>My observation is that a damper spring, upright or grand, only needs enough tension/pressure to insure shut-off. Beyond that we aren't depending on it to adjust touch weight. The damper resistance should be minimal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:mediumblue'>Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br></span></b><b><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:darkgreen'><br></span></i></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>----</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: David Love <<a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_1b7ee7d1-e872-4f20-964d-eab06c4bcb6b"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>In the course of playing any experienced pianist will use any number of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>touches, shallow, deep, hard, soft etc... It's our job to insure that the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>piano functions with all types of playing. It's not the pianists job to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>compensate for what we feel we don't want to deal with. It's the height of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>hubris to think otherwise. The hammer shouldn't bobble if the action is<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>adjusted properly, that includes, in an upright, the damper spring tension.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>The main issue in an upright that can't be separated out is the lack of a<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>repetition spring and the need to raise the key closer to its full height<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>before it will repeat reliably. Of course, you can always get Darrel<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Fandrich to build you an upright action that has a repetition spring. <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>David Love<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Of Ron Nossaman<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:35 AM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Yamaha Uprights<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>On 12/2/2012 11:18 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> No, there isn't. In the Yamahas I spoke of, contact of the jack tail <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> to the letoff button can, unless it's changed in the last five or so <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> years, be clearly felt as an increased resistance. This is after the <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> damper has lifted, and in a piano in good regulation.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Ron N<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Ron--I find that part you cite as less objectionable once the damper<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>spring tension is lessened.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Dale<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>So I'm told. The typical scenario I saw was that the old dead Gulbransen<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>spinet had been traded in for a new Yamaha console so little Sally, and/or<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Mom could start lessons. So they segued from a pianoid keyboard that offered<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>nearly no resistance anywhere in the stroke to one that did, and they didn't<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>understand the difference. I've seen this a dozen times at least, and my<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>experience has been that it isn't necessary to change the damper spring<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>tension once the problem is explained and the student becomes familiar with<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>and used to the piano.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Ron N<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div></div></body></html>