<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><br> <div style="font-family: helvetica, arial; font-size: 10pt; color: black; "><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">I find more loose hammers from hide glue than from  TB Trim glue by far. </blockquote></div> <font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">As I have posted in the past, of the fifty-odd pianos at my school, some hammers factory glued, others by me, the ONLY glue that has NEVER failed after years in this challenging environment has been TB Trim. That includes hide glue and whatever it is that Yamaha, Steinway, Bosendorfer and Baldwin used on their instruments in our inventory,</font> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><br> </font></div> <div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">Alan Eder<br> </font><br> <br> <div style="font-family: helvetica, arial; font-size: 10pt; color: black; ">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:38 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Trim & Moulding Glue<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_3229ba6f-a950-47d0-963f-2c93ead2c167"> <div class="WordSection1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">I’ve been using TB Trim and Molding glue for years now for hammers.  I don’t find any downside to it.  Joe, what do you mean about “chasing voicing”.  It removes easily with a bit of heat.  Forms  nice collar, does everything it’s supposed to do, IMO.  </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">Hide glue for felt, leather etc. is good but for gluing on hammers, I find it’s less trustworthy unless you are very careful about the proper viscosity, has limited working time.  I find more loose hammers from hide glue than from  TB Trim glue by far.  </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">I do like Bolduc’s glue for soundboards and bridge caps.  </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:">David Love</span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"> <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Erwin<br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 09, 2012 9:07 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</a>; <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [pianotech] Trim & Moulding Glue</span></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"> Hi Joe </span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">  I've been using tightbond 50 for over  a year now for many, many applications and it dries hard as hide glue, has a good set up time & gap fills if needed. Very strong stuff. Its only available in 5 gal buckets so I buy it and <i><u>sell it in quarts </u></i>if any care to give it a test drive. </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">  I glue on hammers, use it in all wood work, including bridge cap and it<u> does not gum up in the bridge pin bits. </u>Glue up soundboard panels, glue ribs to panels & finished board to the rim/rasten. Glue up our pinblocks too all with great success. I can't find a down side. I don't recommend it for other action work though and  as you are found of saying.... Hide glue for felt and leather work please!.</span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"><br> </span></b><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:">Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S. pianos<br> </span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.Erwinspiano.com">www.Erwinspiano.com</a></span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"><br> </span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:">Phone: 209-577-8397</span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"><br> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"><br> <tt> </tt></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"><br> <tt>  </tt></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"></span></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"> </span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Joseph Garrett <<a href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</a>><br> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 6:00 pm<br> Subject: [pianotech] Trim & Moulding Glue</span></div> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_bb45b887-4ffb-484c-b59a-f7e3acaf4c5a"><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">I finally found a good use for this stuff: it is good for making leather</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">case buttons. No, I don't use it for hammers. (not unless I like chasing</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">voicing for a year or two.<G>) As most know, I prefer Hide Glue for most</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">work, but I do use many other glues, just not for action work. My rule is:</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">if it needs to be taken apart, sometime, then hide glue is the choice.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Otherwise, if it needs to be "forever" then my glue of choice, these days,</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">is Tite Bond III. I still use Tite Bond. Never did like the T.B. II. It</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">left the fingers yellow and had a really short working time. (I've been</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">told that the Tite Bond II Extended is better in that regard. However, it's</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">hard to find. Haven't tried it, because TB III is better, imo. </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Well, I digress. The Trim & Moulding Glue container went back to the old</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">bottle tip. No clue why. I asked Franklin, but they did not reply to the</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">question, just sent me a wad  of those tips! Good Company, fer sure. I have</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">a Love/Hate relationship with their bottle tips, (both). Wish they'd come</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">up with one like Borden's has on their School glue bottles. It's what I use</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">in my tuning kit. It's small, stays sealed and can be used to "pressure"</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">glue into cracks w/o plugging/closing. </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Best,</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Joe</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Joe Garrett, R.P.T.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Captain of the Tool Police</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Squares R I</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"> </span></tt></pre></div> </div> </div> </div> </div>  </div> </div> </font>