<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19393"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff text=#000000> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Susan,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks, I'll have to try it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Richard W. Bushey<BR>Richard's Piano Service<BR><A href="http://www.RichardsPianoService.com">www.RichardsPianoService.com</A><BR><A href="mailto:Rbushey@RichardsPianoService.com">Rbushey@RichardsPianoService.com</A><BR>573-765-9903</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=skline@peak.org href="mailto:skline@peak.org">Susan Kline</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] filling screw holes!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">I have used hammer shanks for oversized holes for the kind of knobs which have screws, <BR>put the screws into end grain, come back two years later, and found neat 7/32" holes <BR>instead of the knobs I had left there. <BR><BR>Leather, use leather and white glue. If the holes are egged out, you can even fold <BR>the leather over, or use layers of it. It works. <BR><BR>None of the wood options (shoe pegs, toothpicks, dowels, etc.) work as well <BR>(except plugs made by a plug cutter), because the screw threads eat into the grain. <BR><BR>Leather leather leather and Elmer's (repeat ad infinitum till you try it and see <BR>how well it works.) <BR><BR>Susan Kline<BR></FONT><BR>Richard W. Bushey wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:D2B5B545643A4150B106431B60BB7E51@owner08b842208 type="cite">Joe, <BR><BR>On the finished repair pic, I know they didn't match. Those were the screws that were with it....maybe from a previous repair attempt.  I didn't have matching screws the correct size on hand.  I always try to use the existing screws when possible.  This was at a school where the piano got hard use and this was not the only mismatched hardware on the piano. <BR><BR>I did use a zinc screw in the plain wood picture, but that was the first screw I found laying around. <BR><BR>As far as the end grain, yes, you are right.  Short of cutting plugs with a plug making tool (which I don't have, but ought to get), this was far better, in my opinion and experience for most applications than filling the messed up, "v"ed hole with toothpicks and/or shoepeg dowels.  I've seen dowel used hundreds of times in different places to repair screw holes, and I personally have not had issues with it.....yet.   HOWEVER, you are absolutely correct, and they could eventually strip out in time if under quite a bit of stress.  I will look into finding a plug cutter at a good price, cut a bunch and keep them handy. <BR><BR>Suggestions on what type wood best for wood plugs? <BR><BR>Thanks! <BR><BR><BR>Richard W. Bushey <BR>Richard's Piano Service <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.RichardsPianoService.com">www.RichardsPianoService.com</A> <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Rbushey@RichardsPianoService.com">Rbushey@RichardsPianoService.com</A> <BR>573-765-9903 <BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Garrett" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net"><joegarrett@earthlink.net></A> <BR>To: "pianotech" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><pianotech@ptg.org></A> <BR>Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 1:22 AM <BR>Subject: Re: [pianotech] filling screw holes! <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">"Attached are some pics of what I've been using most of the time." <BR><BR>Hmmm? Zinc Plated Phillips Screws?!!!! Please? Noooo! Then, we have <BR>Hammershanks to fill with? Oh, goody, right into end grain. Lovely. <BR>Sigh. <BR>Joe <BR><BR><BR>Joe Garrett, R.P.T. <BR>Captain of the Tool Police <BR>Squares R I <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>-- <BR>I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. <BR>SPAMfighter has removed 1124 of my spam emails to date. <BR>Get the free SPAMfighter here: <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len">http://www.spamfighter.com/len</A> <BR><BR>Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen">http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen</A> <BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>  <br><hr>I am using the Free version of <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len">SPAMfighter</a>.<br />SPAMfighter has removed 1124 of my spam emails to date.<br /><br />Do you have a <a href="http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen">slow PC?</a> Try a free scan! </BODY></HTML>