<font color='navy' size='2' face='Comic Sans MS, sans-serif'><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">Thump</font> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">  All due respect I've tried the naptha and the perchlorethylene &, repinning treatments etc. </font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> Never had one stay free for more than a year</font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">The toxic side affects is </font><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">enough</font><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> for me to say the method isn't worth the human health risk</font><br> <br> <div style="color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; clear: both;"><font size="1" color="royalblue"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><font color="black"><font color="mediumblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> <font color="green">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</font><br> </font></font></font></b></font><font color="darkgreen"><span style="font-style: italic;"><b><font size="1"><font size="1" color="black"><font color="blueviolet"><font color="black"> <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Mason & Hamlin</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">/Steinway/</font><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">U.S. pianos</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><br> </font></font></font></font><font size="1" color="cornflowerblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">www.Erwinspiano.com</font><font size="1"><br> </font><font size="1" color="crimson" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Phone: 209-577-8397</font><br> <font color="darkgreen"></font></font></b></span></font><tt><tt><font color="darkgreen"><br>  </font><br>   <font size="2"></font></tt></tt><br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Euphonious Thumpe <lclgcnp@yahoo.com><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:14 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Rebuildable S&S B<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_8b173160-4a52-4e49-9b0b-f55924513db4"> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"> <div>Hi, Paul. I'm going to guess that's "my" brake part cleaner vs. verdigris technique you used "with great success", and am glad to hear it. But feel obligated to remind everyone that brake part cleaner is largely made up of xylene --- I suspect the most dangerous solvent in terms of causing (hopefully temporary) neurological harm: such as disorientation accompanied by a SEVERE lack of emotions (enough to make others around you wonder "what's up"!) numbness of fingers (if you get any on them) that can last for weeks, and etc.. So, if used, should be used with the GREATEST of caution (outdoors, with a fan blowing over the work, while wearing goggles, a charcoal filter mask and a couple of layers of disposable gloves that will need to be changed often---as it can go right through them without melting the gloves themselves --- at least the vinyl ones.......)<br> And since posting that technique, I've spoken with a chap who claims to have a better, safer one: putting all the action parts in a tub of naptha and letting them soak, then blasting all the centers with a compressed-air blow gun pointed straight into them, to blast the verdigris out. (And then, I'm guessing, another dunk and swish- but into a vat of clean naptha, to rinse the contamination away. And then a few days to air out before lubricating the centers, knuckles and and jack tips.)<br> While similar cautions should be used with the naptha, it is not as toxic.<br> <br> Thumpe</div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="_origMsg_"> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif:font-size:10pt"> <br> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b> Dale Erwin <<a href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</a>>; <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold:">To:</span> </b> <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>>; <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold:">Subject:</span> </b> Re: [pianotech] Rebuildable S&S B <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b> Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:28:42 AM <br> </font> <br> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">Hi Paul</font> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> The value is really determined by what the cost of a total restoration would be. A 1929 B rode hard and put away wet, as you put it, is most likely going to need </font> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">everything including a new key set. So if the </font><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">restoration</font><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> cost are for example 35K to 40 K the question remains.....what can it be sold for after work?</font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">Many shops across the country are finding it difficult to recoup 50K for even the most fastidiously restored Bs. In my opinion that's a tragedy but it is what it is.</font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> In my opinion the piano presently is perhaps worth 7 to 12 K depending on condition.</font></div> <div><font color="#000080" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"> Bob Friedmans is a stand up guy with his finger on the pulse nationwide. Call him<br> </font><br> <div style="color:navy;font-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;clear:both;"><font size="1" color="royalblue"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><font color="black"><font color="mediumblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> <font color="green">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</font><br> </font></font></font></b></font><font color="darkgreen"><span style="font-style:italic;"><b><font size="1"><font size="1" color="black"><font color="blueviolet"><font color="black"> <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Mason & Hamlin</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">/Steinway/</font><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">U.S. pianos</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><br> </font></font></font></font><font size="1" color="cornflowerblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.Erwinspiano.com" target="_blank">www.Erwinspiano.com</a></font><font size="1"><br> </font><font size="1" color="crimson" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Phone: 209-577-8397</font><br> <font color="darkgreen"></font></font></b></span></font><tt><tt><font color="darkgreen"><br>  </font><br>   <font size="2"></font></tt></tt><br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="color:black;font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: paul bruesch <<a href="mailto:paul@bruesch.net">paul@bruesch.net</a>><br> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:12 pm<br> Subject: [pianotech] Rebuildable S&S B<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_45c144ed-94df-4cc2-adb9-ad86b3f30d41"> <div dir="ltr">I have a customer with a 1929 S&S (NY) B. It's been in a supper club for many years, been rode hard and put up wet. Customer says the action is from another B which was in even worse condition. This action is verdigris'd, although I did very successfully use the brake parts cleaner trick on it.  <div> <br> </div> <div style="">Customer has a second S&S B from 1968. It has also been in the supper club for years, but it is in overall much better condition.</div> <div style=""><br> </div> <div style="">He called me recently to ask if I thought he could sell one or the other of them. I suspect he's having cash flow issues, but I didn't ask. I suggested he should sell the 1929 model - because then he'd still have a piano in the place! He wanted me to suggest an asking price. I declined, but mentioned something I'd read here a few years back about a rebuilding carcass going for ca $1000 per foot. I don't recall if that was before or during the plantetary economic slump... does that rule of thumb still apply? Or is it regional, like a better-playing instrument?</div> <div style=""><br> </div> <div style="">Thanks!<br> Paul Bruesch<br> Stillwater, MN</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> </div> </div>  </div> </div> </font>