<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> <div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Duaine</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Perhaps I'm not explaining what I don't understand. There are viruses. The viruses invade computers. Some computers run on Windows. Some computers run on Linux. Why don't the viruses invade computers that run on Linux?</div> <div> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div style="clear: both;"> <div> </div> </div> <div></div> <div></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 5:40 am<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software misconceptions<br> <br> <div style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="AOLMsgPart_0_851cabc8-a3f5-436c-b662-75b6f9955fdd"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>As I said before, Linux does not know how to operate on windows software and supporting files (like Word & Excel macros) so they are ignored. This is way you have to have a virtualization software (VirtualBox) to actually be able to run Windows OS within Linux. Graphically: Linux - VirtualBox - Windows xx I'm not sure how else to explain it. Duaine On 01/09/2013 10:59 PM, <a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> wrote: > That's a copout. Back to my original question. Why isn't Linux effected by viruses? > -----Original Message----- > From: Duaine Hechler <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a>> > To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> > Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 6:44 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT: Re: Possible antivirus software misconceptions > > Magic of the "computer age" ! > > On 01/09/2013 08:25 PM,<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com?">mailto:tnrwim@aol.com</a>> wrote: > > How can it do that? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Duaine Hechler <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>>> wrote: > > > >> Yes, correct. > >> > >> Duaine > >> > >> On 01/09/2013 06:36 PM,<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com?">mailto:tnrwim@aol.com</a>> wrote: > >>> Duaine. I understand that concept. But a virus is an outside "part" that > effects both systems, kind of like humidity causes both to go out of tune. So > are you saying Linux is not effected by "humidity" changes, or outside viruses? > >>> > >>> Wim > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well.....lets put it this way............. > >>>> > >>>> Since you know the difference between "uprights" and "grands"....... > >>>> > >>>> Say Windows is equal to grands and say Linux / UNIX / Mac is equal to > uprights. > >>>> > >>>> And lets assume that there are absolutely NO parts can cross into each > other - that's how it is between Windows vs. Linux / UNIX / Mac. > >>>> > >>>> So Windows viruses / worms / etc will not work (fit onto) on Linux / UNIX / > Mac. > >>>> > >>>> Is this any clearer ? > >>>> > >>>> Duaine > >>>> > >>>> On 01/09/2013 12:20 PM,<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com?">mailto:tnrwim@aol.com</a>> wrote: > >>>>> Duaine > >>>>> You say it's fairly simple. But I have no idea what you're saying. You > might think it's simple, but you're explaining how to listen to beats between > notes to someone who is deaf. But thanks for trying. > >>>>> Wim > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Duaine Hechler <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>>> > >>>>> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech@ptg.org</a>>> > >>>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:10 pm > >>>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Possible antivirus software misconceptions > >>>>> > >>>>> After thought........... > >>>>> > >>>>> Way back in 2003, I found out that Microsoft is hiding behind Linux boxes > to > >>>>> protect their own butts from getting > >>>>> viruses / worms / etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 01/08/2013 12:31 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote: > >>>>>> It's fairly simple......... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Other OS'es like Linux and Mac (since it is a derivative of UNIX / Linux) > have > >>>>> no idea what to do with "Windows" virus > >>>>>> / worms, etc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To get a little deeper in to it.......... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "___.bat" "____.exe" "___.dll" are "executables" and Linux / UNIX > do > >>>>> NOT know how to operate on these types of > >>>>>> executables, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Linux / UNIX "___.so" is more or less equivalent of the "___.dll" in > >>>>> Windows. > >>>>>> And, any of the MS Office macros are ignored by Linux's OpenOffice / > >>>>> LibreOffice. > >>>>>> As I've stated many times before, I'm going on 13+ years with NO > antivirus > >>>>> software - and - NO viruses / worms / etc. > >>>>>> Oh, and yes, there are antivirus software packages for Linux / UNIX, > which > >>>>> referencing above, I have never used one > >>>>>> (even though, I'm connected to the internet 24/7 and download stuff all > the > >>>>> time). > >>>>>> Duaine > >>>>>> > >>>>>> P.S. There is a program called VirtualBox (virtualbox.org) that I run > within > >>>>> Linux to run a virtual "real" copy of > >>>>>> Windows XP - for all my "windows" needs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 01/08/2013 11:36 AM,<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com">tnrwim@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com?">mailto:tnrwim@aol.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com?">mailto:tnrwim@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:tnrwim@aol.com?">mailto:tnrwim@aol.com</a>?>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Duaine > >>>>>>> you said. > >>>>>>> "SO bottom line, antivirus software is as good as the ONLY known viruses > >>>>>>> - thus being forever in "responsive" or "reactive" mode. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Furthermore, the ONLY way to get out of this "reactionary" or "catch 22" > >>>>>>> mode is to get off Windows." > >>>>>>> If the anti virus software only catches known viruses on Windows, > wouldn't > >>>>> anti virus software only catch known > >>>>>>> viruses on any other operating system? What's the difference? > >>>>>>> Wim > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: Duaine Hechler <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>?>>> > >>>>>>> To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech@ptg.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech@ptg.org</a> <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech@ptg.org</a>?>>> > >>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:16 am > >>>>>>> Subject: [pianotech] Possible antivirus software misconceptions > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When my brother-in-law was still on Windows using AVG antivirus > >>>>>>> software, he kept complaining about STILL getting viruses, worms, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In case you didn't know, antivirus software is a "reactionary" > >>>>>>> software package. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> They ONLY handle KNOWN viruses, worms, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Meaning that if someone writes a NEW virus and it infects your > >>>>>>> computers, you can't blame it on the antivirus software (because they > >>>>>>> don't know about it yet). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That virus that just hit you (and others) has to be reported and/or > >>>>>>> discovered by the antivirus software companies. THEN they have to write > >>>>>>> a "trap" for that virus, THEN roll it out to you as an update. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> SO bottom line, antivirus software is as good as the ONLY known viruses > >>>>>>> - thus being forever in "responsive" or "reactive" mode. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Furthermore, the ONLY way to get out of this "reactionary" or "catch 22" > >>>>>>> mode is to get off Windows. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Duaine Hechler > >>>>>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > >>>>>>> Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > >>>>>>> Reed Organ Society Member > >>>>>>> Florissant, MO 63034 > >>>>>>> (314) 838-5587 > >>>>>>><a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>?>> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>?> > <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>?>?>> > >>>>>>><a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> > <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Duaine Hechler > >>>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > >>>>> (314) 838-5587 /<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>?>> > /<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> > >>>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > >>>> -- > >>>> Duaine Hechler > >>>> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > >>>> (314) 838-5587 /<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>> /<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> > >>>> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > >> > >> -- > >> Duaine Hechler > >> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > >> (314) 838-5587 /<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>> /<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> > >> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > >> > > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > (314) 838-5587 /<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net?">mailto:dahechler@att.net</a>> /<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> <<a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a>> > Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / <a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> / <a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years </tt></pre> </div>  </div> </font>