<body>I wouldn't waste that much time on any piano. 4 or 5 hours on just the tuning? No way. <br /><br />I will normally spend about one hour to tune a piano. 2 hours if it's a concert tuning. <br /><br />I would try to figure out what the problem is.<br /><br />Jerry Groot RPT<br />www.grootpiano.com<br/><br/>----- Original Message -----<br/>From: tnrwim@aol.com<br/>To: pianotech@ptg.org<br/>Sent:Fri Jan 11 06:03:15 UTC 2013<br/>Subject: Re: [pianotech] frustrated<br/><br/><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Les</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Ann gave you the answer I was about to give. Explain that the piano is not "normal", and that you need to be compensated accordingly. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div></div> <div style="clear: both;"> <div> </div> </div> <div></div> <div></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Leslie Bartlett <l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:11 am<br> Subject: [pianotech] frustrated<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_1_08baca4c-471c-4cf5-bfc9-a1d717532257"> <style>#AOLMsgPart_1_08baca4c-471c-4cf5-bfc9-a1d717532257 td{color: black;} </style> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Do any besides me have pianos which take 4-5 hours to tune, and if so how do you bill for them.   I have some Chickerings which take me that long, and I have a Kawai KG2 (which I’m tuning for a serious concert) which I simply can’t get stable. Not that I get it set and then a whole section will go out, but I just can’t get it to go and stay where it should.   I don’t know what to do in those instances. After all I’m hired to tune the piano, but spending that long is quite counterproductive to income.    I have a customer on whom I spend more than average time but I love the piano and her as a unique musician.  She’s a professional accompanist.  I measured a “pitch raise” after a six month passage of time, and was an average of 1.1 cents off- so I can tune.  But there are a few which just drive me nuts.   Any ideas for sanity in these instances?</span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Thanks</span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Les Bartlett</span></font></div> <font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><br clear="all"> </span></font> <div class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"></span></font></div> </div> </div>  </div> </font></body>