<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> <div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"><blockquote style="padding-left: 3px; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><pre><tt>Would thick key bushing cloth work ? (I have a whole roll of that - used in various places for player work) Duaine</tt></pre></blockquote></div> <div> </div> <div>Duaine</div> <div> </div> <div>If you're going to use a strip mute, Schaff actually sells that. (page 36), in .165", .135" and .115" thickness, 50" long, and tapering from 3/4" to 1/2" wide. Measure your keybusing cloth and see how close that is. Or, look at some of the other felts you've got, and see which works best for you. </div> <div> </div> <div>For the midsection, you need to push the strip between the strings and give it enough of a loop to allow the middle string to vibrate. For the upper section, put the temperament strip on top of the dampers, and when you've got them all done, pull the dampers away with your fingers, and push the strip between the strings and the damper felts. Be careful that you don't damage the damper felts. On some pianos, the dampers don't want to come away from the string very much, so put your business card between the string and the damper, and the temperament strips will go down very easy. When you tune this section, the strings will vibrate a little, as if you've got the damper pedal on, but not enough to where it interferes with the tuning. </div> <div> </div> <div>But I stopped using a temperament strip about 10 years ago. I found using rubber mutes, even for a pitch raise, is much faster and easier. Since you're already doing that, don't change your method.  For the upper treble, I use a split mute, part 204 on page 36. </div> <div> </div> <div>Wim</div> <div style="clear: both;"> <div> </div> </div> <div></div> <div></div> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler@att.net><br> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:58 pm<br> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Reducing tuning time (was Re: frustrated)<br> <br> <div style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" id="AOLMsgPart_0_ec6584e3-e764-4e36-90c0-3fe32ee1451d"> <pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Thanks, this is all great advice. Now - what are the tricks to strip mute ? When I first started, I tried to strip mute and could never get enough space in the loops and the felt seemed too thick. Also, since most of mine are uprights, it seems the traditional strip mute is too wide for the upper notes (either the dampers are in the way or the hammers are blocks) There must be a special technique for getting the right size loop - and - getting the right size mute felt so the above does not happen. Would thick key bushing cloth work ? (I have a whole roll of that - used in various places for player work) Duaine On 01/11/2013 04:04 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote: > I've been tuning, with an ETD, now for about 13 years and I can't seem to get much faster than about 2 hrs. > > First, 99% of my tunings are pitch raises - one pass - with a very wide range of cents - usually way flat. > > Hear is the basics I do. > > - Start from A0 and go up. > - Leap frog mutes - (M=mute, TM = tune middle, TL = tune left, TR = tune right, S = String group) > > (I think this is accurate ? - I had to draw the strings and place and move mutes on paper) > > M1 - TM1 - M2 | M2 - S2 - M1 | TL1 | TM2 | M1 - S3 - M2 | TR1 | TL2 | TM3 | M2 - S4 - M1 | TR2 | TL3 | TM4 > .............. > > So I think I'm already moving mutes as little as possible. > > - Pull strings slightly sharp of pitch then back down to pitch (seems better for stability) > - Check for stability > > I know that going sharp and coming back down - takes time. > > Any pointers to get faster ? On the upper treble, is it better (hearing wise) to pull up to pitch or go down to pitch ? > > On 01/11/2013 12:22 PM, <a href="mailto:tunerboy3@comcast.net">tunerboy3@comcast.net</a> wrote: >> I wouldn't waste that much time on any piano. 4 or 5 hours on just the tuning? No way. >> >> I will normally spend about one hour to tune a piano. 2 hours if it's a concert tuning. >> >> I would try to figure out what the problem is. >> >> Jerry Groot RPT >> <a href="http://www.grootpiano.com" target="_blank">www.grootpiano.com</a> > -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding (314) 838-5587 / <a href="mailto:dahechler@att.net">dahechler@att.net</a> / <a href="http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com" target="_blank">www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com</a> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years </tt></pre> </div>  </div> </font>