<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> David,<div><br></div><div>Mark is right.  However, I too am a concert level pianist and play quite a bit.  I am able to distinguish poor regulation from note to note when I play especially differences in aftertouch and key dip.  Not bragging here just saying this because some people are very perceptive.  I once tuned for a pianist who at rehearsal told me the bass was sharp.  When I checked it, he was right.  By 15 cents.   I also installed a touch rail in a Steinway D.  One of the piano profs could sense the spring pushing the key back down when two others could not.  That problem was resolved with touchrails help by the way.  That too is a great product.  I'm sure there are lots of stories out there like these.</div><div><br></div><div>So my point is you never know what this pianist might perceive in the finger.  You must decide whether to gamble and not mention the possible touch outcome and have him be thrilled or vice-versa sense it and not be happy.  If he is concert level he is going to want to know how the playing/touch will be affected.  It wont with the mute rail off.</div><div><br></div><div>If the regulation is not spot on now then he may be thrilled.  As you well know just changing the let-off does not allow you to leave out everything else (key dip, drop, blow distance, after touch...)</div><div><br></div><div>I would suggest the mute rail first.  Try it and if he needs more than upgrade to the TFT strip with MIDI sound playback.   I think he will be happy not only because he will be getting a great product but his late night practice problems will be over.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Steven Hopp RPT</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: markb@pianodisc.com<br>To: pianotech@ptg.org<br>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:53:26 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Pianodisc silent systems<br><br> <style></style> <style></style> <style></style> <div class="ecxSection1"> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi David,</span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The let-off is always set to the mute rail (in the on position) so there is not a blocking situation and this is the only regulation adjustment that needs to be made.  Usually you can achieve 1/8” let-off and the mute rail does not affect the performance of the piano. </span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mark Burgett</span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p> <div> <div class="ecxMsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </span></font></div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>David Love<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:57 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] Pianodisc silent systems</span></font></p> </div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Steven:</span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Thanks for commenting.  This is a concert level pianist but his practice situation is such that he would ideally like the ability to equip the piano with a silent function  (late night practicing in an apartment building).   The rest of the stuff (recording, etc) is not that important.  I think he accepts that the sound will be different.  The perceptible change to the action is what I am worried about, though the action is not exactly optimized at the moment.  How big a change is it and does it impact the action when the silent function is not in use?</span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font></p> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">David Love</span></font></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">www.davidlovepianos.com</span></font></p> </div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Steven Hopp<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:32 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> PianoTech<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] Pianodisc silent systems</span></font></p> </div> </div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">David,</span></font></p> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">I have not installed this on a grand piano.  However I am familiar with MIDI and wonder whether there would be enough expression in the sound of a MIDI piano if your client is a very advanced pianist?  If they were informed that the sound problem from practicing at night would go away but the actual expressive sound from their playing might be lessened then I would say this product would work.  Note too they would have to have a TFT record strip as well as a mute rail installed which is included in this package and is virtually undetectable but good to let them know there might be a slight perceptible change to the downweight from the tabs that recognize the keystroke installed under each key.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">PianoDisc also sells the mute rail for grand pianos seperately.  Would they be able to use just that if the piano played very quietly?  Also note that a mute rail requires letoff to be set at 1/8" according to the instructions so there will be some regulation adjustments as well.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">MFSR for this system is $3443.00 without labor to install and without any regulation or pick up and delivery included.  The MFSR for the Mute rail alone is $722.00 w/o labor.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Hope that helps.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Steven Hopp RPT</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">PianoWorks Studio</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Midland</span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">, TX  79705</span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">432-770-7473</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></p> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">> From: <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a><br> > To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:02:37 -0800<br> > Subject: [pianotech] Pianodisc silent systems<br> > <br> > Can anyone who has experience comment on the upside/downside of installing<br> > these systems on a grand piano (Baldwin F)? I'm not actually going to<br> > install it, I would hire someone (it's out my purview), but a customer of<br> > mine has a noise issue in practicing late at night and is considering<br> > something like this. <br> > <br> > <a href="http://www.pianodisc.com/products/details.aspx?id=42381" target="_blank">http://www.pianodisc.com/products/details.aspx?id=42381</a><br> > <br> > <br> > David Love<br> > <a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a><br> > <br> > <br> > </span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </div></div></div> </div></body> </html>