<HTML style="FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans Serif; FONT-SIZE: x-small"><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=content-type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19394"></HEAD> <BODY dir=auto> <DIV> <DIV>Mark,</DIV> <DIV>If you can remove the dampers and the back action, drill the flanges, install screws and re-install the whole damned system in an hour, I'd like to see that! </DIV> <DIV>My point is this: if one has come loose, then the system, as it exists, is suspect! So, as long as you have to take it all apart, anyway, why not just make it easier for the next tech?!  There are Steinway and Chickering grands, with that system. Would you say it was "..going to so much trouble..." with those pianos as well? </DIV> <DIV>My way is a whole lot easier the installing a whole new back action. I hope you haven't missed anything in my explanation.<G></DIV> <DIV>Joe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mark@schecterpiano.com href="mailto:mark@schecterpiano.com">Mark Schecter</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=joegarrett@earthlink.net href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A>;<A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 1/31/2013 10:07:30 AM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pianotech] Fwd: Steinert grand</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV>I wonder why you would go to so much trouble, when, if you were not going to replace the back action with new parts, you could simply drill and screw down the flanges without removing them. Use flat-bottom screws to avoid splitting the flanges. Takes about an hour and avoids all the splitting, breaking, repairing, and subsequent gluing, alignment, traveling and regulating work on the removed parts? Am I missing something?<BR><BR>~Mark Schecter</DIV> <DIV><BR>On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:26 AM, "Joseph Garrett" <<A href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19394"> <DIV> <DIV>Rick,</DIV> <DIV>My approach would be to modify the entire system. This, I would do, by removing all of the dampers and the back action. With all of the levers still glued to the rail, I would drill an appropriate hole through the flange, to the depth of the rail, plus the "v" of the drill bit into the rail, as a future guide for the thread drill holes. Then, I'd pop off all the levers, (first numbering all of them.<G>). Next, I'd drill the thread holes in the rail. Next, I would install 120 grit sand paper with appropriate holes punched out for the screw holes. Reinstall all levers and then reinstall the backrail into the piano. The only other alternative would be to get a new kit for the back action from Renner. </DIV> <DIV>I've tried to reglue those suckers with all the dampers in the way, etc. It's a fool's errand, imo.</DIV> <DIV>Hope that helps.</DIV> <DIV>Joe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=richarducci@comcast.net href="mailto:richarducci@comcast.net"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=joegarrett@earthlink.net href="mailto:joegarrett@earthlink.net">joegarrett@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 1/31/2013 5:16:50 AM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: Steinert grand</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV>Joe, I'm forwarding this question over to you. Can you clue me in?<BR><BR>Rick Ucci <DIV><A href="http://Uccipiano.com">Uccipiano.com</A></DIV> <DIV>609-677-0444</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR>Begin forwarded message:<BR><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:richarducci@comcast.net"></A><A href="mailto:richarducci@comcast.net">richarducci@comcast.net</A><BR><B>Date:</B> January 29, 2013 11:01:25 PM EST<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"></A><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> <B>Steinert grand</B><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><SPAN>List,</SPAN><BR><SPAN>Working on an interesting Steinert grand today, a damper flange came unglued and I need to know how to access the area in the back action to reglue it.</SPAN><BR><SPAN>No screws , it lays flat on a shelf. </SPAN><BR><SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Rick Ucci</SPAN><BR><SPAN><A href="http://Uccipiano.com">Uccipiano.com</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN>609-677-0444</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>