<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Amen.</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Euphonious Thumpe<br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stephen Grattan <lostchordclinic@ameritech.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 25, 2013 4:21 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] Say goodbyebye Folks<br> </font> </div> <br> <div id="yiv916365012"><style type="text/css"></style><div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div></div> <div>Well stated, Dave.<br> </div> <div><b><font color="#0000ff">Steve Grattan</font></b></div> <div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> David Renaud <drjazzca@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "pianotech@ptg.org" <pianotech@ptg.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, February 25, 2013 4:14:54 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pianotech] Say goodbyebye Folks<br></font><br> <div>      In the hope home office monitors this I will voice a few personnel opinions as one that has kept quiet on this subject but must now say goodby.</div> <div><br></div> <div>    To qualify from whom these comments come from. I am a chapter president, a tuning examiner, and a technical examiner, active, teaching and hosting meetings. </div> <div><br></div> <div>      So here goes.....</div> <div><br></div> <div>    FIRSTLY,  most important, thank you to all of you that have participated in the list over the years. I get my email in real time on the road, and enjoy monitoring questions and comments </div> <div>between<span class="yiv916365012Apple-style-span"> tunings and even while tuning. Much information and help has been gleaned from listening to voices of other technicians with experience negotiating a multitude of problems. Your posts have been valuable.</span></div> <div><br></div> <div>     I have tried <a href="http://myptg.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">myptg.org</a>  from time to time, and generally NEVER go there.  Every time I have thus far I became frustrated. </div> <div><br></div> <div>       The old list comes(came) to my gmail. Gmails filters are wonderful. Easily and quickly I can filter for a subject or a person and get just what I want. Many years of pianotech are in my online mailbox storage and I can search and get what I want quickly.</div> <div><br></div> <div>         When I have gone to <a href="http://myptg.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">myptg.org</a> the sub groups divide everything up. It takes time and effort to negotiate.  I need to sign in, and I just don't want to have to recall yet another password and input it then negotiate a website on the road live....</div> <div><br></div> <div>        Bottom line is this.  When I would sit down and go to <a href="http://myptg.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">myptg.org</a>. I get this deep nausea in my stomach that I have been asked to do more administration,  passwords to input, multiple sites, files, subfolders to find, visit, search, new administration to learn, and more actions to execute then before. As a one person business working 60-80 hrs a week doing real paying work I HATE administration, I despise being asked to do MORE unpaid time sucking paperwork or equivalent. There is no desk time left for same.</div> <div><br></div> <div>     So I have been quiet in this, never a peep. As the above sentence clearly makes evident, there are those of us that have been quite, that do actually feel quite strongly about it.</div> <div><br></div> <div>       Despite its faults, the old list took ZERO effort. It was always at my fingertips in my inbox with ZERO time, since I already had the email live on the road open regularly. I could research anything from anybody filtered anyway I wanted from current or past posts going back years instantly,from anywhere I was. Posting was instant. I would do all this even as tuning a piano, or between tunings in the fly with no effort in real time. </div> <div><br></div> <div>          The new alternative feels like something I'm going to have to sit down at the desk with for a few hours and figure out. It looks like something I will only access occasionally when I get home and time to sit at the desk, sign in, and negotiate web pages, sub folders,, <span class="yiv916365012Apple-style-span">and windows.I almost never do that anymore, since I do most admiin on the Fly in real time now. </span></div> <div><br></div> <div>        All that said,  I will figure it out and use the new system.</div> <div><br></div> <div>        But I won't be following it daily anymore, perhaps once a month when I have time to sit. </div> <div>But technology has moved me away from the desk to make more money, this brings me back to the desk, tying me down.</div> <div><br></div> <div>        And if this is true of many, who will not frequent the site in real time, I can't wait a month for a response to a current question, I'll likely call someone directly instead, or send some of my chapter members list the question my email, so i can get an immediate response by email, not have to wait until i have time to sit at a desk and "sign in" and navigate through a website. </div> <div><br></div> <div>         Pianotech has been a very useful realtime tool.</div> <div><br></div> <div>        I tried the other, just don't have the time it seems to demand.  I doubt I will have the time. There is no time to do more, I must do less, not more. I have some commercial clients I have "fired" because they demand extra administration time, can't afford more admin. time, it's too expensive to serve them in wasted admin. time when I should be doing more paid work and less unpaid administration time. I ramble now...I do that..........often.</div> <div><br></div> <div>         So there is my opinion.</div> <div>          I suspect there are many more like myself that have never spoken up, but feel this way. </div> <div><br></div> <div>          Once again...... Thank you To all pianotech participants. </div> <div><br></div> <div>           Back into the trenches.</div> <div><br></div> <div>                                                          Cheers</div> <div>                                                               Dave Renaud </div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div> <div><br>On 2013-02-25, at 1:28 PM, John Formsma <<a href="mailto:formsma@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:formsma@gmail.com">formsma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div> <div></div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div dir="ltr">I'd like to ask what seems an obvious question. <div><br></div> <div>Why can't some of us chip in a few bucks and buy Pianotech from PTG (assuming they own it). Operating costs can't be all that much annually.</div></div> <div class="yiv916365012gmail_extra"><br><br> <div class="yiv916365012gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alan Eder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="yiv916365012gmail_quote"><font color="black" face="arial"><font size="+0">As yet another long-time dues-paying and fully enfranchised member of PTG, I just wanted to add my voice to the growing chorus of those of us who find this list both extremely valuable and handy and think it would be the height of irony for our organization to jettison what is for many the single most valuable tool we have towards furthering our professional development in real-time and on a day-to-day basis. I, for one, like receiving all posts and deciding what to read, what to save for a "rainy day," and to delete right away. I want to underscore an important point that someone else made against sub-forums: I peruse pianotech the way I choose which classes to attend at a convention, which is partially by subject, but largely by who is putting forth the information. Yes, there are certain posters whose words I am ALWAYS interested in reading, regardless of the subject matter, and others who are, shall we say, at the other end of the desirability spectrum. </font> <div><font size="+0"><br></font></div> <div><font size="+0">My two cents, FWIW,<br></font></div> <div><font size="+0"><br></font></div> <div><font size="+0">Alan Eder<br></font> <div> <div class="yiv916365012h5"><br> <div style="font-family: helvetica, arial; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>From: David Love <<a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a>><br>To: pianotech <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 9:43 am<br>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Say goodbyebye Folks<br><br> <div style="margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px;"><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>I agree with many other comments that the problems with the new list are primarily the user friendliness (takes too long), posting photo problems, and the fractured aspect of the various communities and associated cross posting issues. Looking for various other lists to subscribe to is just too much trouble and creating even more fracturing and dilution, in my view. The junk mail/pop up/invasiveness of google has no appeal for me. It's too bad that the problems couldn't, or wouldn't be resolved. A valuable resource will be lost, or at least diminished. Come April 1st I think I will simply take a permanent (or at least semi-permanent until something changes for the better) break from the list(s). David Love <a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.davidlovepianos.com/</a> </tt></pre></div></div></div></div></div></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"> <div><br></div>-- <br> <div>John Formsma, RPT<br></div> <div>Blue Mountain, MS</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>