<html> Well Wim, I don't know what to say as it has worked for others. Perhaps Jim Moy can help you. He seems to know a lot about this sort of thing. It may have something to do with you having a gmail account. I hope you are successful. Sorry I can't be of more help. Terry At 11:37 PM 17/03/2013 -0400, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Terry   After I send a message to pianotech, do I have to wait for approval from somewhere high up?  I get messages on my g-mail account, but my sent messages are being rejected.   Wim   -----Original Message----- From: Terry Beckingham <t46xd8jb@xplornet.com> To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] how do I join Try this. It is in the heading in all posts from the google group "pianotech" subscribe: <<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/pianotech.php/subscribe?hl=en">http://groups.google.com/group/pianotech.php/subscribe?hl=en</a>>, <<a href="mailto:pianotech+subscribe@googlegroups.com" eudora="autourl">mailto:pianotech+subscribe@googlegroups.com</a>> Terry Beckingham At 11:11 PM 16/03/2013 -0400, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>OK, I figured out how to get on this Google techy thing. But  when I sent a message, I was rejected. Nothing personal, the message said, but I am not "authorized' to post on the list. What did I do wrong? Or what haven't I done? Or is it me?    Wim  </blockquote></blockquote></html>