<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <title>Message</title> <style>  </style> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Your ears will learn to focus on = the particular coincident frequency that you need to hear.  Try = prompting yourself just before you play the fourth or fifth by lightly striking = the particular coincident frequency (note) where your hearing will be focused.  = Very slow beats can be difficult to hear.  The faster the beat the easier it = is to hear so you will need to approach tuning the intervals by first moving = the note to be tuned out enough that you pick up the more rapid beats = easily.  Then move it toward pure following the bouncing ball, so to speak.  = </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> <div> <p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span = style='font-size:10.0pt; color:navy'>David Love</span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'><br> davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span = style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Finley<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February = 04, 2006 6:55 AM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: tuning = environment</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am learning to tune = aurally, although I use an ETD (Sanderson Accutuner III)  to check the = accuracy of my tuning and to speed things up a bit. I find it difficult to hear the = beats (particlularly the slow beating 4ths and 5ths) even in the quiet = environment of my own home on my well scaled Yamaha grand piano, because they seem to = be so weak. Will your ears eventually become more accustomed to hearing beats? = I have been doing this for months and the beats still sound very feeble, = although when I move my head around the piano they become slightly more = perceptible. I can't imagine what it must be like to have to tune a piano in the noisy environments that you describe. </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Robert = Finley</span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = ----- </span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:thetuner@ivories52.com" = title="thetuner@ivories52.com">Geoff Sykes</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net" = title="tune4u@earthlink.net">tune4u@earthlink.net</a> ; <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:51 AM</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: tuning environment</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I had the = opportunity to tune four pianos at NAMM last year. Ever try to tune in a very = large convention center full of pianos all being tuned at the same time? = Complete chaos and cacophony would have been quieter. Especially when you find = yourself working on the same note at the same time as one or two other techs in = the same room. And you know what? It was a fascinating high energy learning = experience and I'd gladly do it again. </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-- Geoff = Sykes</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-- Assoc. Los = Angeles</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <blockquote = style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left: .5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span = style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Barnard<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February = 03, 2006 6:47 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech List<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: tuning = environment</span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Stick around = awhile and you'll experience some tuning environments that'll make noisy nursing = homes seem like a nap on the beach.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Lawn mowers, = vacuums, screeching 2-year-olds, clocks!!!, loud air conditioners and furnaces, televisions, and (at Fort Leonard Wood) the not-so-distant = sound of small arms, tank shells, and the engineers blowing up stuff ... kabooM! = ... the fun just keeps on coming.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>One that was a = challenge: Junior high school tuning Hamilton on stage in gym/auditorium with = concrete floor and cinder block walls, boys basketball team shows up and they = each grab a ball and start bouncing, shooting, shouting, laughing and the SHOES = ... sqeak squirk eek scree. I couldn't complain because I'd gotten held up and was = an hour late when I started.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>And the number = one most obnoxious sound? Someone else tuning another piano in the background. = </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Alan = Barnard</span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Salem, = Missouri</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = ----- </span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotune05@comcast.net" = title="pianotune05@comcast.net"></a></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To: = </span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech = List</a></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 02/03/2006 6:37:02 PM </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> tuning environment</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans = Serif"'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi = Everyone,</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I know it's not a technical = question per sae, but I like hearing about other technician's experiences.  = What has been yoru worst tuning environment?  Today I tuned a piano at a nursing home, an Acrosonic.  The people were great, but it always = throws me off when someone comesup and asks me a question such as, "Have = you found that lost chord yet." I was making sure my thirds matched up evenly.  It was great, and I scheduled them for their next tuning = already plus one of the employees there scheduled me to tune her piano in two weeks.  It was a great experience, but it's hard to tune with lots = of background activity.  What do you guys do in that situation, = besides make the best of it.?:)  </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Marshall</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ps. It was a great tuning = all around however, plus they offered me lunch!  Awesome chili and corn = bread.  </span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>-------------- = Original message -------------- <br> From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org> <br> <br> > At 03:57 PM 2/3/2006 -0800, Horace wrote: <br> > >Actually that has been done a number of times. When I was more = active in <br> > >institutional work, I used to do it for demonstration = purposes...it does <br> > >get folks' attention. <br> > <br> > I'm sure it does! <br> > <br> > >Also, I know specifically of one major contemporary venue in = which this <br> > >was done to the primary concert instrument...no, the technician = who did it <br> > >is no longer employed there. <br> > <br> > Ready for a different sort of institution, I would guess ... well, = there is <br> > more than one way to tell an employer to "take this job and = shove it." <br> > <br> > sssssssssnn <br> > <br> > <br> > _______________________________________________ <br> >! ;! ; Pianotech list info: = https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives </span></font></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>