<html><DIV> <P>Dale,</P> <P>When I saw that you had tried sandblasting it, I immediately felt sorry for you!  I tried that once too and still remember the nightmare.  The base is too irregular from the casting and it took <EM>forever</EM> to build up enough new material to smooth it out again. Good luck!</P> <P>Diane<BR><BR>Diane Hofstetter <BR>245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343 <BR>Scotts Valley, CA 95066 <BR>ph 831-438-6222 <BR>fax 831-430-9741 <BR>dianepianotuner@hotmail.com </P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Erwinpiano" <ERWINPIANO@EMAIL.MSN.COM> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>>To: <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:32:16 -0700 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Hi Mark <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I'm aware of the many amazing properties of shellac but it just never occurred to me to try it in this application until you guys tweaked my duh! barrier. This might be my answer.I'm in the middle of a plate job that is a very long and arduous story. <DIV></DIV>> Thanks <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Dale Erwin <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: bases-loaded@juno.com <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:00 PM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Hi Dale - <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> It would be very unlikely for you to have a bleed thru problem like you describe if you used shellac as your barrier coat. It is an amazingly reliable coating, sticks to anything, isolates contaminants, and provides a film that virtually any top coat will have good adhesion to, esp, if you use the dewaxed version. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> FWIW <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Mark Potter <DIV></DIV>> bases-loaded@juno.com <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:02:09 -0700 "Erwinpiano" <ERWINPIANO@EMAIL.MSN.COM>writes: <DIV></DIV>> Terry <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Is the primer you use before spraying the laquer an enamel or just something compatible with laquer? Is your final result prone to chipping?, or does it stay a bit on the softer side and set up harder over time. (which I like) Just curious as I am experimenting with some different techniques including sandblasting to remove rust and animal urine then building back up with automotive productsof various kinds.Yes it's a pain but I've had some preexsistent stains return to discolor spots in my final topcoats over time. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Dale Erwin <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: Farrell <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:19 AM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> "Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the fish eye." <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I don't use shellac, but I hear/read so much about it, I have no doubt it is an excellent way to go. What I do use for my plates though, is grey (any color is fine I'm sure) metal primer that I buy at the auto-parts store. I just use it to hit areas that I have sanded through to the bare metal. Sand lightly after dry. Then I finish with spray can gold laquer. I like to just keep it simple. As long as I am using the spray can laquer for the finish, I find it very easy to use the spray can primer. I have had excellent results. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Terry Farrell <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: jolly roger <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:48 AM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE:S&S plate touch up & Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Hi Diane, <DIV></DIV>> Varsol must be a Canadian type thing, for some thing you guy's call some thing else. Two great Nations separated by a common language. ( Churchill I think.) <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> None of the paint stores I went to know what Varsol is...... <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I bought a good quality gold enamel and one of those fill-it-yourself spray bottles. It looks much better except for the fish-eyes <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the fish eye. The oxidization is probably attacking the finish from below. Just a calculated guess. Some of the more expert finishers could probably give advice in this area. <DIV></DIV>> I have done one plate in this manner. The grey market Yamaha just 2yrs ago. The finish seems to be holding up OK. But more time will tell. Weather it will eventually eat it's way through again, I do not know. But I do know shellac can be a very effective sealer. Leave for several days to harden, before applying the finsh coat. <DIV></DIV>> Hope this may help. <DIV></DIV>> Regards Roger <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Diane Hofstetter <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV> <P></P>Diane Hofstetter <BR>245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343 <BR>Scotts Valley, CA 95066 <BR>ph 831-438-6222 <BR>fax 831-430-9741 <BR>dianepianotuner@hotmail.com <BR><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html>