<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4C7F1.7C326620" rel=File-List> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; = mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; = mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; mso-style-type: personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size: = 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=blue link=blue = bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>"often bringing it = 40-50% overpull. I used to bring it up to 100% overpull" </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>40-50% of what?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=deanmay@pianorebuilders.com href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">Dean May</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, November 11, = 2004 1:22 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: A-440 and = Ethics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> I’ve done hundreds in the last 25 years, never cracked a plate, often = bringing it 40-50% overpull. I used to bring it up to 100% overpull before RCT. I = never bring up center strings first, then left strings, then right strings. = I always start at one end and tune all strings as I go up. <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> I’ve often heard about the “danger” of crack plates by unbalanced = tension. I dunno, maybe it can happen. But I’ve never encountered it in pitch raises = or in chip tunings on restringing jobs. <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Dean<o:p></o:p> Dean May      =        cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   = 812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> Terre Haute IN  47802<o:p></o:p> <= SPAN class=EmailStyle18><![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of David = Ilvedson Sent: Thursday, November 11, = 2004 12:08 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: A-440 and Ethics. <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Julia,<o:p></o:p> Why don't we = ask the List if anyone has had a plate crack during a pitch raise.   I've = been working on pianos for 30 years and it has never happened to = me.   <o:p></o:p> David = I.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> ----- = Original message ----------------------------------------> From: <<A href="mailto:Alpha88x@aol.com">Alpha88x@aol.com</A>> To: = <<A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Received: = Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:18:18 EST Subject: Re: A-440 and = Ethics.<o:p></o:p> Greetings, =           &nbsp= ; Usually, when I get a tuning call, it is a piano which hasn't been = kept up the tunings on. I always ask how long since it was last tuned. They = usually don't know.. especially if they have taken in an "orphan" = piano.          &nbsp= ;   I do not like to raise the A4 pitch on any piano more than say 1/4 a = tone or so, if it's been neglectd tunings. This is because I don't want to run = the risk of cracking anyone's harp plate, let alone breaking strings. = Especially on the little spinets, whose plates are 5/8" or less = thick.          &nbsp= ;    When I get to the house, I check the A-440 and it's octaves and get an = idea of the overall tone of the piano; whrere it went flat the most. I always = explain the concept of A-440 to the customer, and more times than not, it = doesnt matter to them if its up to A-440 or not.            = They just would like it in tune with itself. I also explain that pianos are = designed to be tuned to A-440 for best results. (unless it is an extremely old, = dry upright that's seen better days and wont let you even gradually take = it up that far, even with subsequent tunings/loose pins or bridges coming = off) I tune it the best I can get it, to sound at the A-4?? and suggest = subsequent tunings so we can gradually get it there. They agree to a reminder = card from me for follow ups ....say, 4 to 6 mo for the first follow-up. I also = inform them that with each tuning the piano becomes more stable and to never = let a piano go more than 2 years max.           On = hearing these pianos, they are so, so neglected and out of tune, the piano = always sounds better upon my = departure, and thats all alot of folks want in order to start the kid's lessons, = without paying "an arm and a leg".  With customers who are more vigilant = of how their piano sounds is another matter.           = My tuning teacher used to say "As long as it sounds a lot better when you = leave than from when you arrived". Julia, Reading, = PA <o:p></o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML= >