<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: one rubber mute</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;= charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2523" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=413034618-05112004><FONT= face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>It's= pretty simple, you just get it right everytime or you= continually go back and tune all strings of the= unison.   Also you go back and clean up unisons that= you already tuned that might have changed.   Of course= making the correction to the right string...</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>We are still waiting for an explanation of= "shimming" unisons.   </DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>This morning I finally tuned my own piano and= decided to lay in a temperment aurally, which I haven't done in= a long time.  I didnt do so well.  When I checked it= with my SAT III.  I was about 1+ cents sharp on most of the= notes even though my 4ths & 5ths sounded great.  I= didn't have A3 in the right relationship to A4 or sharp of what= it should have been.  Everything else in relation to the A3= was sharp.  When I went back and adjusted to the SAT III= the temperment cleaned up wonderfully.   Even= progression of fast beating intervals, clean 5ths & and slow= beating 4ths.   </DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>David I.</DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=413034618-05112004><FONT= face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff= size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=413034618-05112004><FONT= face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2>----- Original message= ----------------------------------------><BR>From: jason= kanter <<A= href="mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com">jkanter@rollingball.com</A= >><BR>To: Pianotech <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Rec= eived: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:47:29 -0800<BR>Subject: FW: one rubber= mute</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=413034618-05112004><FONT= face="Trebuchet MS" color=#0000ff size=2><BR>As David requested,= I did respond privately, but as I see this is obviously of= interest to several of you, here is my response from yesterday= evening. I have not yet heard back from= David.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;= BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT= face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>= jason kanter [mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B>= Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> David= Andersen<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: one rubber= mute<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>Okay, here's one path thru the temperament,= as I learned using a C fork.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From fork, tune C5, using <FONT= color=#ff0000>Ab2</FONT> as reference note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From C5 tune C4, using <FONT= color=#ff0000>Ab3</FONT> as reference note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From C4 tune F3, using <FONT= color=#ff0000>Ab2</FONT> as reference note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From F3 tune F4, using <FONT= color=#ff0000>C#3</FONT> as reference note. Check C4F4 fourth,= using <FONT color=#ff0000>Ab3</FONT> as reference= note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>Between F3 and F4 tune A3 and C#4, making= 4:5 beat ratios.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From C#4 tune F#3, using A3 as reference= note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From F#3 tune Bb3. Check F3Bb3 fourth,= using <FONT color=#ff0000>C#3</FONT> as reference note. Check= Bb3F4 fifth, also using <FONT color=#ff0000>C#3</FONT> as ref= note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>From Bb3 tune D4. Check A3D4 fourth and= F3D4 sixth.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>and so on predictably, tuning the rest of= the temperament in this sequence: G3, B3, Eb4, Ab3,= E4.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>. The red notes do not have to be "right"= to function as reference notes - they just need to be a single= frequency that produces a usable beat. If they are an open= unison that is not perfectly in tune with itself, they do not= work as reference notes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>In practice, I mostly use Tunelab, so in= practice I don't do as much checking as I think I should, but I= am trying to unravel this single-mute thing and understand what= it is that you actually do. So please show me your bearing plan,= with checks, and open my eyes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2>Jason</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=537105204-05112004><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"= color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT= face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>= pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>David= Andersen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:25= PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: one rubber= mute<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#008080><FONT face="Trebuchet MS"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">WHen I'm in the temperament section, I'm= constantly using reference strings for checks -- testing fifths= with the major sixth below the lower note of the fifth, for= example. How do you do this efficiently using a single rubber= mute?<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT= color=#008080><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT= face=Verdana><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:= 12px"><FONT face=Verdana>Do you mean you use strings you haven’t= tuned yet as references? I don’t do that; I just tune as I go,= using the tests I’ve learned within the notes I’ve tuned. Email= me privately, Jason, and we’ll talk about this so you can get an= idea of what I’m doing....<BR><BR>David Andersen</FONT></SPAN>= </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>