<DIV>How do you know? Do you have some unusual hobbies that you would like to share with us? Carl Meyer <cmpiano@comcast.net> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4A257.02778BE0" rel=File-List> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply; mso-style-noshow: yes; mso-ansi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } SPAN.SpellE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-spl-e: yes } SPAN.GramE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-gram-e: yes } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> <DIV>I disagree. BS in not pure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carl Meyer Ptg assoc Santa Clara, Ca.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:53 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Practicing on a not so good piano: was RE: tax deductions?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> I would say that the idea that practicing on a not so great piano makes you a better pianist is at least counterintuitive, at most, pure BS.  Much of learning and refining piano skills has to do with developing your sense of hearing and connecting what your hands do to what your ears hear.  It is not, afterall, the same as learning to type.  The poorer the piano, the more you learn to not listen, to ignore what you hear and therefore surrender control over what you are trying to accomplish musically.  Wondering whether the mechanical problems you are encountering in executing a difficult passage belong to your fingers or the action can only serve to confuse the issue more and force you into some bad habits with respect to relaxation that will not serve your technique or tone production at all.   And as far as advocating poorer pianos for our adult piano students to improve their technique…well that would be counterproductive.  Remember, critical thinking is a privilege, not a right.  You have to earn it.  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net <o:p></o:p></DIV> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Avery Todd Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:51 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: tax deductions? <o:p> </o:p> Bull hockey! Avery At 09:23 PM 9/23/04, you wrote: <o:p></o:p> Richard said:   "I tell them that children and or adults will practice more and can get much more from the practice with a good piano."   That is only good to a certain extent.  After the kid, or adult progresses to a certain level, it will be more beneficial to practice on a not so great piano.  It can do many great wonders to piano technique. Matthew Richard Oliver Snelson <rsnelson0984@mchsi.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p> That's not what Ryan said, Mr. Hechler. Too bad about your nerve, must be <o:p></o:p> the same one you often hit when your past rants about M.S.<o:p></o:p> I will do exactly what Ryan said also. Finding a junk spinet or console in <o:p></o:p> a nice home with an older child or younger taking serious lessons on it will <o:p></o:p> bring on a discussion with the mother or father. I don't care if they ever <o:p></o:p> call me back to tune for them. I tell them that children and or adults will <o:p></o:p> practice more and can get much more from the practice with a good piano. I <o:p></o:p> have never had anyone get mad at me, they say wow! No one has had the nerve <o:p></o:p> to be honest with us about the piano. After all someone gave it too us and <o:p></o:p> we really thought it would be nice to have a better piano for our <o:p></o:p> son/daughter to play. Note I didn't say "Grand." And I never follow the <o:p></o:p> above discussion with the fact that I might h! ave used pianos for sale.<o:p></o:p> Play your antique piano all you want Mr. Hechler I'll keep on enjoying my <o:p></o:p> grand piano and having the pleasure of going back to my customers house when <o:p></o:p> they call to say they purchased a better piano.<o:p></o:p> Why should Ryan keep his statement to himself? You never follow that advice. <o:p></o:p> Now do you?<o:p></o:p> Richard Oliver Snelson<o:p></o:p> ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> From: "Hechler Family" <o:p></o:p> To: "Pianotech" <o:p></o:p> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:12 PM<o:p></o:p> Subject: Re: tax deductions? <o:p></o:p> > Ryan,<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > Boy have you hit a major nerve with me.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > Based on your comment, everyone should upgrade to a grand. Nearly 99 <o:p></o:p> > percent of my business is the pianos you mentioned below. If which 99 <o:p></o:p> > percent have no space for a grand or don't want a grand. And to top things <o:p></o:p> > off, I own an antique player piano which is a Story & Clark which I feel <o:p></o:p> > is a g! ood quality instrument. Finally, I also rebuild antique pump organs <o:p></o:p> > which are not upgradeable.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > So please keep your blanket statements to yourself.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > P.S. I recently acquired a player piano rebuilt job for a Gulbransen <o:p></o:p> > piano.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > Ryan Sowers wrote:<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> >> Very frequently I am encouraging people to upgrade their spinet, <o:p></o:p> >> consoles, and worn-out uprights. How could I do this in good faith if I <o:p></o:p> >> don't personally value the instrument enough to warrant owning a good <o:p></o:p> >> quality one.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > -- <o:p></o:p> > Duaine Hechler<o:p></o:p> > Piano, Player Piano, Organ, Pump Organ<o:p></o:p> > Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding<o:p></o:p> > Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild<o:p></o:p> > Reed Organ Society Member<o:p></o:p> > St. Louis, MO 63034<o:p></o:p> > (314) 838-5587<o:p></o:p> > dahechler@charter.net<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p> > pianot! ech list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A><o:p></o:p> > <o:p></o:p> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p> pianotech list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A><o:p></o:p> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <A href="http://mail.yahoo.com/" eudora="autourl">http://mail.yahoo.com</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Pianova Piano Service Olympia, WA__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com