<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C3BB3A.1DFB4690"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> Yes, Dale I’ve been finding = that the new S&S parts seem to produce better results than either the Renner = or Tokiwa stuff, but I do like the overall quality of = Renners more, and they’re also considerably = cheaper. I’m glad to know about the Abel parts for Masons and will be sure = to add them to my bag o’ tricks. On my B I could easily have forgone the = helper springs, but I wanted to give them a try on my own piano before = experimenting with someone else’s<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> - Mark<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: Erwinspiano@aol.com [mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com] Sent: = <st1:date Month="12" Day="4" Year="2003">Thursday, December 04, = 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="22" Minute="16">10:16 PM</st1:time> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Squeeking = rep lever springs on Tokiwa wips <o:p> </o:p> <div> In a message dated = <st1:date Month="12" Day="4" Year="2003">12/4/2003</st1:date> = <st1:time Hour="13" Minute="58">1:58:44 PM</st1:time> Pacific Standard Time, mark@nhpianos.com writes:<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> like the parts, and love the eveness of touchweight = that I was able to get on both pianos with the adjustable helper springs. One piano – a Mason AA with Renner wips – = went from the mid 60’s (grams) to the upper 40’s in the middle after = the switch over, and I removed 6 lbs. of lead from the keys. The customer = was beginning to have muscular problems that limited her practice time but = can now play for hours pain-free. The other set went on my own Steinway, and = even without the springs I got better touchweight = & friction numbers than with the Renner parts. I do have problems with = checking on my piano that disappear when I swap out samples with Renner wips, though. Although they appear identical in = the important aspects, I suspect that the Tokiwas are shortening the action spread just slightly, but I haven’t checked = it yet. Can someone remind me of what the spec is for S&S action = spread?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> - Mark<o:p></o:p>    = Mark<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <div>   I'm not a big fan of helper springs & usually find other ways to handle = the weight problems. I have found that one tool to have are the Abel = parts for Mason/wessell, nickel & gross actions that are a perfect fit for = many & they are the only ones who make an 18 mm nuckel placement. These parts = will work well on those that originally had this configuration = & on some others depending on key leverage & action spread. Until now no = other supplier has provided this dimension of part. Also I like the fact that = the center pin location is not moved out as per the Renner parts on there = Steinway shanks.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>   The Tokiwa parts are a good fit except that the overall height is taller = than original factory wippens which requires techs to lower the capstan = perhaps further than the magic line calls for which, can also increase touch = weight. On Steinways I gave up & just use the factory wippens as = they fit every piano they ever made really well. The Renoir whips tend to be = too short & jack placement is really ideal for primarily there 17 mm = knuckle execution. Just MHO based on trial & error.<o:p></o:p></span= > </div> <div>    Dale<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p>= </div> <div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in = 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:39.75pt;margin-right:0in'>  <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html>