<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Pierre,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Using a stiffer wire as the "Pure sound" will give a longer sustain and more brilliance (warmness), I did not do that myself in times but surely = would do now if I had to.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>As you will never have very tensioned hammers on these pianos the wire helps = the brilliance and a better attack (with a dwell that develop slowly, as = Stephen Birket mentioned).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>The original sound of these pianos is very special, it is far better to = try to match it. The ones I've seen with that kind of wire where better always.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Beside, for the use of Roslau string you may have to check the = tensions , be careful the high treble bridge don't like to have too much (bridge = pins) or it cracks easily.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Thanks for sending back info</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=397164922-20032002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Isaac</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> = owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Gevaert Pierre<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> mercredi 20 mars 2002 = 22:25<BR><B>À :</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Unglued Hammerheads (Clamping)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isaac,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your advice.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll contact Desfougeres = and ask if they can also put new leather on those special = rollers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll ask what method they use. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The hammers that I had get refelt = from Abel were ok but as you say, they should have more experience with = this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have recently restrung one of those = parallel Erard Grands that you mention  (used the Roslau blue wire , = single strings)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>but left the original basstrings = (still in good condition and  good quality)  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you think the Roslau blue is not = the right wire to use?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The results were good and yes, I = agree, very nice pianos.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For me from the best ever made and I = now better understand those people who does only want to hear</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>about parallel strung pianos. Fine = and rich sound.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tuning those is verry easy and pleasant.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pierre Gevaert.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac = OLEG SIMANOT</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 20, = 2002 12:34 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Unglued = Hammerheads (Clamping)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Pierre,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Ask the job to be done by DESFOUGERES in = PARIS.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>45 rue Max Dormoy</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>75018 PARIS</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>phone 033 01 46 07 22 84</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>These are French pianos they know very = well</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>They can too put new leather on the "backchecks" , on the = rollers, and new "galuchat' on the whippen lever.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Abel does the job too, don't know the = result.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Frankly I am not absolutely sure these refeletings are not = done in a press, I just had a (retired) colleague who had all these individual = wood clamps, closing with a wedge, for these re-felting jobs, and = Desfougeres have the same)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>But the pressure with these wood presses is as high that = with the other press .Refeltings are not done in hydraulic or pneumatic = press, just the traditional manual one, a modern press is used to put the = felt in shape a bit with warmth before gluing in the manual = one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>I've seen Erard shanks allowing for modern hammers too = (with a little dowel at the extremity).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>I guess these where originals. On these you have modern hammers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>These parallel Erard Grands where build for 100 years use, = some have a very lively soundboard yet, they have a very nice sound, the = action is a little special of course with a 64-58 -mm hammer /string distance.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>If possible to use the correct strings on it the sound will be better.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Hope that helps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=656461823-19032002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>P.S please let us know how they refelt (press or = individual) if you ask.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la = part de</B> Gevaert Pierre<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> mardi 19 mars 2002 = 22:39<BR><B>À :</B> = pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Unglued Hammerheads (Clamping)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isaac,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I intend to let refelt the hamers = of a verry nice Erard grand of 1927 wich has a tiny sound due to the hamers = beeing reshaped</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>to often.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And indeed there are no tails. = Thoes that meen that it is more difficult to obtain good hamers due to the impossibility to clamp the tails? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any good adresses in France? I = was thinking to ask Abel, but i'm not shure they can refelt such a hammers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any way, just great pianos those = Erards exept for their bizare kind of hammershanks and hammers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pierre Gevaert</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Belgium</FONT></DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr = href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac OLEG SIMANOT</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 19, = 2002 1:11 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Unglued = Hammerheads (Clamping)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002>Richard,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002>The metal clamps yet sold by Renner = are indeed designed to clamp hammer felt. That was done in ancient times = eventually to glue some new felt on multi layers hammers (and leather too = of course)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002>Another method involved the uses of a = wood clamp, the Erard hammers refelting are yet done as that, as they = cant be mounted in a machine for gluing new felt (no = tails).</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002>These clamps are very strong, the = surely could help to clamp back some old felt, but the hammers are ruined = anyway (as probably the piano ). And yes for sure they don't really apply = to modern hammer making.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002>Friendly from</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002>Isaac OLEG</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=941390200-19032002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De = la part de</B> Richard Brekne<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> lundi 18 mars = 2002 19:05<BR><B>À :</B> = pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Unglued Hammerheads<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Paul Plumb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>I = have been asked to reglue hammerheads that have come loose from the = molding (not the shanks) because of heat in a fire.  I would = like to know the best kind of glue to use if not hide glue and best = way to clamp them.</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>???? Clamping ???? = We do not clamp hammerheads.</FONT></FONT> <BR>  <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial><FONT = size=-1>Any other information that may be helpful would be appreciated.  = The piano is about 30 years old and there does not appear to be = any other problems except rust formation on the pins and = strings.  I realize that some of the other hammers may become loose in = the future and have warned the client.</FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Thanks,</FONT></FONT> = <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Paul = Plumb</FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial><FONT = size=-1>Plumb Pianos</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial><FONT = size=-1>A good wood glue should work just fine... Is this an upright or a = grand. Perhaps you might get a tech with some experience in = fire/smoke damage to take a second look at this instrument. Not all problems = relating to fire / smoke become all the acute immediatly after the event.</FONT></FONT> <BR>  <BR>  <BR>  <P>-- <BR>Richard Brekne <BR>RPT, N.P.T.F. <BR>Bergen, Norway = <BR><A = href="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</A> <BR><A = href="http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html">http://home.broad= park.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html</A> <BR>  </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BO= DY></HTML>