<html> Hi Avery,                 The Bose's used to use Renner, probably still do. Roger At 05:46 AM 7/25/02 -0500, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Phil, My, you're up early! :-) I doubt this will answer your question but if I'm remembering correctly, our Bose's don't have underfelt on their hammers. I've seen others also but right now, can't remember any brands. Avery At 04:49 AM 07/25/02 -0400, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>'mornin. I came across a 're-build' yesterday. Part of the improvements made involved new hammers, shanks, etc. These hammers had no discerning inner felt. I can tell the difference between Renners, Abels, Ronsons, etc. from the color of the inner felt, most of the time. Does anyone know what kind of hammer is manufactured with no inner felt? They sounded fine on new wire(they need a poke here and there), but I could not tell what kind of hammer they are. Anyone? -Phil Bondi (Fl.) tito@philbondi.com </blockquote> </blockquote> </html>