<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Thanks, Allen. = Actually, it's quite unsettling to approach a piano in which the whole piano kind of = "rings", and not to be able to find any particular reason for it. I did do pretty = much what you suggested when I was there, though. I splayed my hand out = across about a thirteenth on the strings, and then tried playing a chord in a = neighboring region of the piano. Didn't seem to make a difference. That's why I came = to the conclusion that it was "pandemic" to that particular piano.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I just couldn't = figure out why it would ring like that, and not have any real damper function problems. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I put in a call to = Kent Webb today, and never heard from him, but to be fair, I mentioned that = another tech was calling on the same topic, so he may have responded to him, and I = haven't heard about it yet.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Kevin E. Ramsey<BR><A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=agilreath@mindspring.com = href="mailto:agilreath@mindspring.com">Allan L. Gilreath, RPT</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 08, 2001 = 5:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Plate = Ringing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Kevin,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>I've never been able to trace down a ringing sound to a plate.  = However, you might eliminate some possibilities by trying some different troubleshooting.  Get a strip of wood (oh say 3/4" x 3/4") and = whatever length is easy to work with (12"-18") with a strip of thick soft felt = glued to one edge.  You press this strip against a large group of strings = and eliminate any leakage that the dampers are letting through.  This = works especially well when a damper leak is occurring at a sympathetic = vibration other than the fundamental (or when the fundamental of the string is = the sympathetic vibration from another note.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Makes it easy to find these kind of problems and would = eliminate problems in the damper system before you start trying to change any = plate resonance.  Personally I would much prefer to make some changes = in the dampers than to the plate...</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=480111612-08062001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Hope this helps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Allan<BR>Allan L. Gilreath, RPT<BR>Assistant = Director - TEAM2001<BR>July 11-15, 2001 - Reno, = NV<BR>agilreath@mindspring.com<BR><A target=_blank = href="http://www.ptg.org/conv.htm">http://www.ptg.org/conv.htm</A><BR>D= irector: Laura Olsen, RPT<BR>Assistant Directors: Allan Gilreath, RPT - Gary = Neie, RPT - Dale Probst, RPT</FONT> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Kevin E. Ramsey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:47 = PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Plate = Ringing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I had an odd = occurrence today that I really hope that you all can help me with. I had a = customer who has a new Steinway model 4510 (model 45?) studio, with = damper problems. When I got out there, it's kind of a damper problem, but = not really. The problem is;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A)  The whole piano rings, = when you play a chord or any note in a staccato fashion.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>B)  The pedals are not lifting = the dampers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>C) The spoons are not too early, = the strings have plenty of follow.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D) The dampers are aligned = properly. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    In short, no = real problem with the damper system. What I did notice while working on the = trapwork was that if I stuck the plate with the heel of my hand, the whole piano = would ring. When you struck the piano anywhere, it would ring. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I did notice = that some of the bi-chords where indented by the strings, but they had = plenty of follow-through.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    The waste ends = on the hitch pin side of the strings were already braided. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I tried striking = notes with my hand on groups of strings, and no effect. I strummed groups of = notes and found nothing leaking. And yet the whole piano had a real ring to = it. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I'm just = wondering if the plate, being sand cast, could have warped and twisted enough to = cause some weird tension on it which would cause it to ring like a bell. I = mean, if something as massive as a plate wanted to ring, could you really = expect the energy to go up the strings to be damped by little pieces of = felt?  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I hope that = someone can help me out. Tomorrow I call Kent Webb, and see if he can = help.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    One interesting = note here. This piano was just purchased three months ago. I looked it up in = the Atlas, it was produced in '96.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kevin E. Ramsey<BR><A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>