<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4C285.E094BEE0" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=blue link=blue = bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I dunno. I would guess that my shop is = pretty airtight - concrete block walls, sheetrock ceiling (w/foil/fiberglass insulation), several well-sealed windows and a double-door. Even in the = summer it takes a couple days to fill the reservoir on my dehumidifier and the = unit runs less than half the time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know that is not real specific, but = it should provide a general picture. Are you trying to regulate shop humidity? = Tell me about your shop.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 04, = 2004 6:49 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Moistureproofing = shop - now stage box</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Terry:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How air = tight is your shop?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>And, generally = speaking, how air tight does it need to be for the dehumidifier to be effective?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">David Love<BR></SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</= A></SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> = <A = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">Farrell</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 04, = 2004 3:37 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">Pianotech</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Moistureproofing = shop - now stage box</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Bob,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It doesn't take a whole = lot to get humidity under control. My shop is a 1,000 square-foot stand-alone = concrete block building with a concrete floor. The only thing I did was to = paint the outside with a paint that is advertised to have moisture-inhibiting = properties (not likely to do much good on your metal walls) and use a Sears-type = basement dehumidifier. My shop easily stays down below 50% RH year 'round.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What type of insulation = did you use in your walls? If you used a foil-backed fiberglass roll stuff, = you should be just fine - the foil will do a pretty good job of stopping moisture = migration (not to mention your metal walls!).</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would check the = function of your dehumidifier. I had to replace my original one recently because it = started icing over, was running all the time and barely produced water. With = the new one it barely runs and produces a bucket of water every couple days. = One thing I have found is to make sure you get a dehumidifier with an = <EM><I><U><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">electronic humidistat.</SPAN></FONT></U></I></EM> The dial type seem to = wander all over regulating operation of the unit. The electronic ones seem to = keep RH pretty darn consistent. The other thing I do is to keep a small fan = running in the area of the dehumidifier - I keep an air flow over the = dehumidifier and pointing out into the shop. That way the humidistat on the unit has = exposure to representative shop RH and it spreads the dried air out into the = shop real well when the unit goes on.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Terry Farrell</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message = ----- </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: "Bob Hull" <</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:hullfam5@yahoo.com"><FONT = face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">hullfam5@yahoo.com</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: "Pianotech" <</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT = face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">pianotech@ptg.org</SPAN></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Thursday, November = 04, 2004 1:28 AM</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: = Moistureproofing shop - now stage box</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">> I appreciate the = reply, Gordon.<BR>> <BR>> My concrete floor does have a layer of plastic<BR>> sheeting under it, if I remember right.  What = type- I<BR>> don't know.  <BR>> <BR>> I have seen moisture = still come up through some small<BR>> cracks and the concrete will look damp = around that<BR>> crack.   But, overall I don't think I have a big<BR>> problem.  I'm still getting the inside walls = sheathed<BR>> with plywood when time allows.  The building is a<BR>> metal = building that began as a horse barn.  I added a<BR>> ceiling, interior = framing and insulation.  I've just<BR>> used the localized approach of = multiple dehumidifier<BR>> bars and blankets draped for drying out soundboards<BR>> and this seems to do okay.  <BR>> <BR>> = I think next spring an additional or new dehumidifier<BR>> unit will be in order.  <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I'm outa here for the day. = <BR>> <BR>> Bob H.  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>