<HTML>In a message dated 12/21/01 1:16:50 PM Central Standard Time, markmilo@znet.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyhow, in answer to the poll...   I learned back in the late 70's using a Hale Sight-O-Tuner.  I just recently got it (and my other tools) out of storage and used it to tune just the other day.  It still works fine, mostly.   </BLOCKQUOTE> When the home office museum first opened it's doors, I donated my old SOT, which my dad bought for me when I first got in the business back in '77. Goes to show you how some people can successfully still use "antique" tools. For what it's worth, in a class I taught last year, I would say all but 2 of the 25 people in the class raised their hand when I asked who used an ETD. I use an SAT III and my wife uses an SAT II Wim </HTML>