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size=2>Wim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#008000> <<</FONT></SPAN>The concept is good, but =
the result
might not be what I want. In order for the treble to sound more in =
tune, we
generally have to stretch the top note a tad. So in a sense, although =
you can
visualize a straight standing triangle, you actually want to have that =
triable
leaning to the right. <BR><BR>When I used to tune strictly by ear, I =
tuned,
what I thought, were "perfect" octaves, the kind you are visualizing. =
My wife,
Jan, also tunes, but relies more on the Accutuner. We both tuned for =
the same
customer, a friend from church, who told me that she liked Jan's =
tuning
better. I listened to the tuning, and to my ears, found the top =
octaves too
high. <BR><BR>When I started using my Accutuner almost exclusively, =
(except
for unisons), I had to get used to what the machine was telling me. At =
first I
kept trying to bring down the octaves. But now that I am used to it, =
the
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color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=530452218-27092001>Thanks for =
your thoughts. I
agree that the top note must be stretched. I try to stretch the octaves =
by
hearing the total sound, probably much in the same way that Virgil =
teaches.
When learning aural tuning, I used the Accutuner, accepted, and liked =
the
stretch that it gives. I tuned one piano with the SAT a few weeks ago, =
and my
ear agreed with it about octaves 6 and 7. To check myself, I closed my
eyes and tuned the top note. Generally, it was either right with =
the SAT or
just a little sharper.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT
color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=530452218-27092001>Perhaps the =
way I tune out
of the temp octave has something to do with it as well. My octaves are =
at least
4:2, but tend to be more around 6:3. Tuning up that way seems to allow =
for my
style of octave tuning without yielding flat upper octaves. Doing double =
and
triple octave checks, I find that the dbl octave has a slight beat, and =
I tend
toward a purer octave and fifth. So I know my octaves are not flat. =
Maybe I hear
things differently, or just got used to the octave sound of the SAT when =
I was
working with it. I really need to sit down with the SAT, tune a temp =
octave,
tune the rest by ear, and see how it compares with the FAC tuning. At =
least I'd
know if the walk measured up to the talk. =
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT
color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=530452218-27092001>Tuning is so =
individual
sometimes. How one person may hear might not be the same way as another, =
and he
may not be able to explain it fully. I know Richard Brekne has been =
talking a
lot about what he hears, and Virgil gets a lot of talk going from =
his
classes. I hope I'm doing it right. It pleases my ears
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John M. Formsma<BR>Blue Mountain, MS<BR>PTG Associate, =
Memphis
Chapter<BR><BR><A target=_blank
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