<HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v == "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o == "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w == "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Petrof= keyslip</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;= charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Generator> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK= href="cid:filelist.xml@01C454FE.6FF107B0" rel=File-List> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=blue link=blue= bgColor=white> <DIV class=Section1> <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>The keys aren't= the problem.  The keyframe isn't the problem.  The key= slip is the problem.  Don't treat the= symptom.  The sticking keys probably happens towards= the bottom of the key stroke so we are dealing with the top/back= of the key slip.  This is probably in the middle of the= keys?  If warping is causing the problem.  It isn't= going to take removal of much material to do the job.  Pull= the keys, and sand along the back of the keyslip.  You= wouldn't have to pull the keyframe is working at the top of the= keyslip. <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>  <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>David= Ilvedson <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>  <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>----- Original= message ----------------------------------------> From:= Dean May <<A= href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">deanmay@pianorebuilder= s.com</A>> To: Pianotech <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Rec= eived: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:35:25 -0500 Subject: RE: Petrof= keyslip <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2> Okay, okay.= You win. ;-)<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I actually do carry the= drill, shop vac, drywall screws, et al. But I know a lot of= techs don’t. I’d still probably shim, but hey, that’s me.= <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I still have a hard time= believing you could do that job in five minutes. You are= definitely more optimistic than me.= <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Dean<o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: #993366; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> Dean= May    =         cell= 812.239.3359<SPAN= style="COLOR: #993366; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272<FONT= color=#993366><o:p></o:p> Terre Haute= IN = 47802<SPAN= style="COLOR: #993366; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> -----Original Message----- <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:= pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Alkana <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Thursday, June 17,= 2004 11:31 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: Petrof= keyslip  <o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Dean,<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size:= 12.0pt">Doable in five minutes? You sound like an eternal= optimist. ;-)<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p>  <FONT= face=Arial color=navy size=2><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size:= 12.0pt"> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Yes, I am quite optimistic,= something wrong about that? Better than being negative= and all knowing in one's approach to= life<FONT= face=Arial color=navy size=2>.<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p>  <FONT= face=Arial color=navy size=2><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size:= 12.0pt">How many techs would normally carry the right sized= drywall screws or a right angle drill, or a shop vac to clean up= the shavings, or a grinder to blunt the end of the screw. Now= most of us have those tools, but I doubt very many carry them= around all the time.<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size:= 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> Many full time field= technicians carry these tools all the time.  It may= surprise you that some of us actually do things to  pianos= besides just tune them in the field. A fine example is Isaac= Sadirgursky RPT, and his entire approach to service in the= field. You should attend one of his classes= sometime.<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Drywall screws - I always carry them= in extra length. They are very handy for all types of odd= repairs that come up. All you have to do is chop them off= to length with your wire cutters.<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Grinder - Why? Just a couple of= swipes with a file from the tool kit will take care of any= pointy ends.<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Shop vac - We're talking a minute= amount of sawdust here, most of which will stick to the drill= bit anyhow. It will join the dust bunnies under the keys just= fine, unless the customer wants me to clean the piano after= seeing what it looks like under the keys, which will ultimately= result in a heck of a lot more possibilities for service dollars= than your method.<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Right angle drill - Actually I do= carry one, which I expect most technicians do not, but I was= actually thinking of my little Milwaukee driver/drill which does= a good impersonation of a right angle drill. Always keep that= handy for cabinet screws, hole drilling, etc., so as to save= wear on wrist and time on the job. (Thanks to Doug Wood= RPT) More professional that way, don't you= think?<o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size:= 12.0pt">On the other hand, most all of us carry a screwdriver= and shims, which makes the 30 minute job a little more= practical. I wonder if you’d have to pull the whole key frame.= I’d probably stick a screwdriver down in there, bend the slip= out, and jam a shim in; 3 minutes 45 seconds,= tops.<o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">So, I've made the job more= permanent, certainly adjustable in the future, took a very short= time to accomplish and looks a whole lot more professional.= No keyframe moved and wasted time in getting the action= back to square one. Plus I've sold the customer a vacuum= and cleaning job...I always carry my vacuum with two hoses= in the car (thanks Isaac). Don't you clean pianos? While I was= showing the customer the repair and the dirt, I also got a= chance to show how bad the action actually worked and sold a= future hammer filing and regulation job because everything= was viewable. Plus a bottle of High Gloss piano polish and a= piano light because I had the customer's attention.= :-)<o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <SPAN= class=EmailStyle18><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Optimistic enough for= ya?<o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> Joseph Alkana  RPT <A= href="mailto:josephspiano@comcast.net">josephspiano@comcast.net<= /A><o:p></o:p> ----- Original Message ----- <FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid;= PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; 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