<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Accu-Tuner ad</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Hi David,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Have seen also some "old school" high class tuners working with strip mutes, = I can name a few that are almost worldwide knew. (Fabrinni for instance). = Always seen by "one mute" only tuners like a strange thing, but they produce very = good tunings also of course !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT = face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Indeed working with 1 mute  is another world of tone than the strip , = but it helps nowadays to have a second or a 3d !  Don't you check  = tone with 2 strings (not 3) on some occasion ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>I could never be  so used to the long muting strip, but I take it for = time reasons on pitch changes or PR,  was never totally convinced with = the global homogeneity , or character of the tuning when using a strip mute.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>On the other hand when tuning with "one mute only" we easely get caught in our perception, and produce less compromizing in the more singing parts of = the piano, favourizing to the most our prefered intervals,  then the = high treble is often tuned lower, toning well when played in octaves, but too = low against the middle of the piano (that we tend to over strech in large = rooms often is not it ?).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>If one stick to the fast beatings interval progression only, he produce a very = good "just" tuning but it does not put in front the instrument soul as = much. If one stick to the piano Ih, the instrument is toning very well, but the tuning/temperament can lack "personality" (as obtained with pure = temperament tuning and the VT).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>I believe that tuning with respect of the slower intervals color is giving = a more warm tuning than respect of faster ones (more brillant or more "German type")</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003></SPAN><SPAN = class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>In the basses, we are really obliged to follow the quality of tone, that is why = only a multi partial device goes in the good direction, not trying to tune = extra large basses it the strings are sounding poorly on higher partials for instance</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>The fact that our ears are pleasureables is in fact a handicap for tuning, = many instrumenst when they"talk" to me tell me "please needle me" or tweak = that regulation. That is why I spend so much time for a "tuning", I have to = force myself to make some "tuning days" where I tune only, ans as fast as = hell, to fight my natural tendency to try to obtain a very nice tone on any piano = whatever state and brand is. (15 /20 min a tuning was the last score !)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003></SPAN><SPAN class=710462509-09112003></SPAN><SPAN = class=710462509-09112003></SPAN><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Did you try the VT BTW ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Best Regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=710462509-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD> <TABLE height=80 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 = align=right border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=tiny> <TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; 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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la = part de</B> David Andersen<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> dimanche 9 = novembre 2003 07:51<BR><B>À :</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: = Accu-Tuner ad<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>on 11/7/03 10:30 PM, Erwinspiano@aol.com at Erwinspiano@aol.com wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Anyone understand what I mean?<BR><BR>Please be gentle...<BR><BR><BR>Wayne Lutzow<BR>Lincoln, CA<BR><FONT size=4>Sacramento Valley PTG<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT = size=4><FONT color=#000040><FONT face="Times New = Roman">  Wayne<BR> I applaud you for your candor honesty, & truthful assessment of = your own tuning. You can obviously hear & have an intuitive idea as to = what it is a well laid out tuning sounds like. With these qualities you will = find what you're looking for</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT color=#000040><FONT face="Times New Roman">. <FONT size=4>Peter Clark is a good = friend of mine & also one of the finest tuners, & vouchers I've ever worked = with. I would ask him to give you some guidance. He's a generous helpful = person & has done much teaching in your area.<BR>  You must = use your ears to check your tuning which means developing aural skills to the = point that they can overrides the defects & inconsistencies of ETD's.<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT = color=#000040><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=4> Dale Erwin<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR>Good job, Wayne.  Just keep = going, and trust your ears; they're so much more reliable, and pleasurable, = than trusting a silicon-based device.  <BR><BR>By all means, find a = mentor whose tunings blow you away. Beg him or her to let you hang around and = listen.<BR>You will learn so much; your body will learn so = much.<BR><BR>About 15 months ago, on this list, I was challenged to take the final "step = out on the tightrope" as an aural tuner---completely old school, with just = one mute, one fork, one tuning hammer. So I did.  And, after an initial <BR>harrowing couple of weeks, I started to get comfortable with the = finality of it----and then the doors literally blew open to a whole new world = of precision and musicality in my tuning. It sounded good to me before, = but now it sounds----well---perfect: liquid, swelling, blooming tones, = everything is such calm and beautiful balance, peace and harmony in every key, every = chord voicing; the "money area" floating out above the rest of the piano = with so much character and color....the world-class pianists I've been tuning = for over the years have definitely noticed, and commented.  I've seen the = absolute truth of Virgil Smith's statement that a solid, precise, whole-tone = musical tuning can cause a tremendous psycho-acoustic illusion in the = player----the regulation feels better, the voicing sounds better----but all that's = been done is the tuning.  Amazing.  Please understand I'm not = advocating <BR>failing to regulate or voice---far from it---but I'm just making a = point.<BR><BR>Becoming a world-class tuner will guarantee a = comfortable income and big respect in your local piano circles.<BR>I guarantee it.  <g><BR><BR>David Andersen<BR>Malibu, CA = </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>