<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 11"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C5E86C.406E2740"> <link rel=Edit-Time-Data href="cid:editdata.mso"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in' id="role_body" bottomMargin=7 leftmargin=7 topmargin=7 rightMargin=7> <div class=Section1> Thanks for all the input, and even = the spin-off discussions.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I have found much information on my = cd’s of 20 years of the PTG Journal.  But, another question…when a needle, or group of 3 needles, is inserted = into the hammer felt, is there any additional moving of the needles; like a = slight rocking motion or wiggling motion?  Or, is the procedure to just = insert and pullout on the same trajectory?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Brian P. Doepke<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p><= /span> AAA = Piano<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Work</st1:PersonName>s<o:p></o:p> 260-432-2043= <o:p></o:p> 260-417-1298= <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = Erwinspiano@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November = 13, 2005 11:48 AM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: JIV-jumping = into voicing<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div>   = Ric<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>   Good answer. I second this = & add don't let fear stand in your way it's really quite difficult to = destroy a set of either kinds of hammers, well... unless your just a blithering = Dolt . <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>    That said the goal is = for an improved tone even if , in your own ears, it's not perfect. = People/clients who really have ears to hear will except any improvement as a pleasure in = the right direction. Truth be told there are sooo many lousy sounding pianos in = the field because no one is asking the questions you are or at least not bothering = to stab a few needles etc to risk for something possibly = great!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  How I wish the bad habit of = tune & run to the next tuning could be remedied.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  It's not real customer = service IMHO.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>   I think I just changed the = topic. Oh My!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>   Dale = Erwin<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Hi Brian The answer to your question is really a lot more involved then what a = simple reply from folks here can give you.  Much depends on what = kind of approach you are going to use, and what kind of hammer you have to work = with.  For example, the one needle vs three needle question often = boils down to either what phase of voicing you are in or whether or not you = are fine voicing lacquered hammers or not. How deep, where, and when to = needle depends on what you are trying to accomplish, and again on what = kind of hammer you are dealing with.  A hammer soaked in lacqure = will have no real benifit from deep shoulder needling as a general rule, but = a hammer that needs needling down requires such treatment.  A full = treatise is a bit beyond a one post answer.  My best advice is to = read through the archives and join your local ptg chapter, attend meetings = and find a voicing teacher who can help you get started.  And, as = Phil pointed out...  dont hesitate to try your hand after reading.  = In the end voicing is learned by doing more then anything else. Cheers RicB<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p>= </div> </div> </body> </html>