<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C59487.8BB9C2B0">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue style='tab-interval:.5in' = id="role_body" bottomMargin=7 leftmargin=7 topmargin=7 rightMargin=7> <div class=Section1> Don’t get = shook. It should be a pretty easy fix. Your desk apparatus must have a different = kind of finish on it. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I wouldn’t use the acetone = anyway. Use a sharp chisel, knife or straight razor and scrape the glue off. If = there is any mark left on the finish it should sand out pretty easy. Since it is = satin it will be much easier than polish, but even if it was polish you can = still sand out some pretty deep scratches. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> With your satin finish I would try = 1000 grit wet/dry sandpaper. Use a little water (spit works) for lube. Use = 600 or even 400 if you need to, but finish with 1000 and = 4/0 steel wool. Make sure your strokes all go in the same = direction.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> If the finish was polish the = procedure would be the same but you would use polishing compound instead of the = steel wool. It is possible to get sand marks out of a high polish finish by = hand using successive grades of polishing compound and it’s not too hard if = you do a good job with the sandpaper. Of course a buffing wheel is easier but = they are kind of messy in the customer’s home. = <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p></fon= t> Dean May       &nbs= p;     cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.co= m   = 812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> Terre Haute = IN  = 47802<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Piannaman@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 29, = 2005 9:27 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Howdya get = CA off of polyester??? <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div> Listers,<o:p><= /o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o= :p> </div> <div> I bought a tube of acetone/super-glue remover at the local Ace hardware = today in hopes that I could get this puppy taken care of.  I took it over = to a piano store and spooged some ZAP CA glue onto a like piece of piano = now being used as a desk.  I let it dry for awhile, then applied the remover.  The results were unbecoming, to put it mildly.  = Don't try this at home, kids.  It discolors and re-textures the finish.  = It may work on the shiny stuff, but not on the = satin.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o= :p> </div> <div> I hope keyslips aren't too expensive.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o= :p> </div> <div> Dave Stahl<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o= :p> </div> <div> In a message dated 7/29/05 2:30:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, deanmay@pianorebuilders.com writes:<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> Actually, steel wool will not get = the scratch marks you  need to make a polyester finish look satin. I think they = start with 400/600 sanding all in one direction and then soften that with 1000 = grit, again in the same direction. The finish is too hard for steel wool = alone. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> Dean May       &nbs= p;     cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   = 812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> <st1:place><st1:City>Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State>IN</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode>47802<o:p></o:p><= /span></st1:PostalCode></st1:place> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of John Ross Sent: <st1:date = Month="7" Day="29" Year="2005">Friday, July 29, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="50">11:50 = AM </st1:time>To: = Pianotech Subject: Re: Howdya get = CA off of polyester???<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></p= > <div> To make a = polyester finish satin, it appears that the finish is rubbed with a block that is = covered in superfine steel wool, or a fine grit sand paper. This breaks up the = shine with very fine scratches, that go in straight lines, not = circular.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> There is one = story I heard of a guy that had a satin finish Yamaha, and he polished it so = much that it ended up with some sections high gloss and some not. They had = neglected to tell him, his finish was satin, and he thought is should be = shinier.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> John M. Ross <st1:place><st1:City>Windsor</st1:City>, <st1:State>Nova = Scotia</st1:State>, <st1:country-region>Canada </st1:country-region></st1:place><a = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca" title="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</a><o:p>= </o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From: <a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com" title="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</a> = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</a> = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent: <st1:date Month="7" Day="29" Year="2005">Friday, = July 29, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="12" Minute="11">12:11 = PM<o:p></o:p></st1:time> </div> <div> Subject: Re: Howdya get CA off of = polyester???<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p></p= > </div> <div> Oops, I missed that. Right you = are. Thanks.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div> But that begs another question: Is = it not likely that either the finish is not polyester or that another finish = has been applied over the poly? I don't know that I have ever seen a polyester = finish in satin - seems it would just turn kinda white. Best be careful with this = one....<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> <o:p> </o:p></p= > </div> In this particular case it is a = satin finish. I don’t think he’ll need the buffing wheel or = polish. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> Dean May       &nbs= p;     cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> <st1:place><st1:City>Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State>IN</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode>47802<o:p></o:p><= /span></st1:PostalCode></st1:place> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> CA can be dissolved with acetone. = Acetone won't hurt polyester, particularly if its only in contact with the polyester = for a short time. After you wash the CA off, just polish the polyester surface = again with any of the polymer polishes. It will take the slight dulling off to = come up just like new. But = please make sure that the finish you are proposing to removing the CA from is indeed polyester. If its acid cat or any of the other lacquers, acetone will = remove both the CA and the lacquer coating.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p></p= > </div> <div> Ron = O.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p></p= > </div> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' cite="" = type=cite> And then of course, have your = buffing wheel available!<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' cite="" = type=cite>  <o:p></o:p></p= > </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' cite="" = type=cite> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p></p= > <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> I have scraped it off with a razor = or knife and then dressed the finish with a little 4/0 steel wool. You = could even use some 600 sandpaper first and then the steel wool. Try an = inconspicuous area first to see how it is going to look on the finish. But if you can = hardly see it now probably hitting a couple of times with the steel wool will make = it disappear.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Dean= <o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Dean May<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <o:p></o:p></p= > </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> I just = finished tuning a satin walnut polyester piano that has a few loose pins.  It's a = couple of years old, and still under warranty, but I figured I try to CA a = couple of pins anyway. <o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <= /font><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Just to prove = that performing that operation requires care and patience, I spilled a very = small amount on the keyslip....:-([(<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> At least it = isn't laquer.  I got most of it off before it had time to set, but as we all know, the = stuff dries durned fast!  So there are a couple of very small marks on = the front. <o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <= /font><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> The finish = doesn't appear to be damaged at all, and it's hardly visible, but I can see = it.  I'd like to do right by the customer and get it off if possible, but I = didn't want to apply chemicals that might take the finish off in conjunction with = the glue...<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <= /font><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> If any of you = have an idea about how to remove this stuff, please let me = know!<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <= /font><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> It's always = on the fourth tuning of the day...<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <= /font><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Thanks in = advance!<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>  <= /font><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> Dave = Stahl<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> <div>  <o:p></o= :p> </div> </div> </body> </html>