<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-= 1"> <META content="IncrediMail 1.0" name=GENERATOR>  </HEAD> <BODY style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0px 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px= 10px 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bgColor=#ffffff background="" scroll== yes ORGYPOS="0"> <TABLE id=INCREDIMAINTABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100= %" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; CURSOR: auto; FONT-F= AMILY: Arial" width="100%"> <DIV> <FONT size=2>Most paint shops in my part of the world mix th= ese dyes into the paint as a liquid additive. Did you get a jar of p= owder, or liquid?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I know there is a powder whitening medium available a= t french polishing supply stores.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>regards.</FONT><FONT size=2>  </FONT></DI= V> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Robin Stevens</DIV> <DIV>Convener "INTUNE SA 2004"</DIV> <DIV>22-25 July 2004 Mercure Grosvenor Adelaide SA</DIV> <DIV>08 8633 0533 <A href="mailto:mmrr6596@bigpond.net.au">mmrr6596@big= pond.net.au</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></D= IV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=receivestrings> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="m= ailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 5/01/2004 2:= 12:59 AM</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mai= lto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: Ivory= keytops</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2 PTSIZE="10= ">Paint stores use titanium dioxide as a whitener for their paints. &nbsp= ;I asked this same question on this list a couple of years ago, and promp= tly went in to my local Kelly-Moore and asked for some, expecting to buy = a small amount for a large amount of money.  Au contraire, the emplo= yee who helped me GAVE me a small jarful.  I guess it's pretty cheap= and easy to come by.   And it works! <BR><BR>In a message date= d 1/2/04 9:52:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, cdgregg@telus.net writes: <BR>= <BR><BR> <DIV style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; rem_BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; rem_= MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; rem_PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE="CITE">White Gesso or acr= ylic titanium white pigment from your local art supply <BR>mixed with hig= h tack fish glue from Lee Valley Tools will do a nice job of <BR>gluing o= n your ivories, if you are not using ivory wafers. <BR><BR>Chris Gregg <B= R><BR>At 08:48 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: <BR>>Thanks Richard, <BR>> <= BR>>ivory : ivory glue (hide + titanium) or if not possible whitening = your <BR>>usual glue with titanium or a white stone powder. <BR>> <= BR>> <BR>> <BR>>------------------------------------ <BR>>Isa= ac OLEG <BR>>accordeur - reparateur - concert <BR>>oleg-i@noos.fr <= BR>>19 rue Jules Ferry <BR>>94400 VITRY sur SEINE <BR>>tel: 033 = 01 47 18 06 98 <BR>>fax: 33 01 47 18 06 90 <BR>>mobile: 033 06 60 4= 2 58 77 <BR>>------------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> <B= R>> > -----Message d'origine----- <BR>> > De : pianotech-boun= ces@ptg.org <BR>> > [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la <BR>&gt= ; > part de John Ross <BR>> > Envoyé : samedi 3 janvier 2004 0= 3:29 <BR>> > À : Pianotech <BR>> > Objet : Re: Ivory keytop= s <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Hi Richard, <BR>> > I k= now the PVC-E will come off the plastic keytops with <BR>> > water.= Did you try <BR>> > and remove it? <BR>> > The glue remains = flexible, so you could also try a razor blade. <BR>> > The PVC-E sh= ould be OK. I sometimes use Duco cement. But <BR>> > with all the g= lues, <BR>> > keep your fingers clean. <BR>> > Regards, <BR>&= gt; > John M. Ross <BR>> > Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada <BR>>= > jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- = <BR>> > From: "Richard Strang" <rstrang@pa.inter.net> <BR>&gt= ; > To: "pianotech (E-mail)" <pianotech@ptg.org> <BR>> > S= ent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:12 PM <BR>> > Subject: Ivory keyto= ps <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > > Hello, list, <BR>> &= gt; >    Once again, I learned a big lesson the very ha= rd way, <BR>> > so I thought I'd <BR>> > > share my grief = with you all. <BR>> > >    I worked on an old pla= yer upright last night. It was a <BR>> > 1907 variety, <BR>> &gt= ; but <BR>> > > someone in California had rebuilt it very well. = Why? Who <BR>> > knows? But it was <BR>> > > in very good = shape, and close to pitch. <BR>> > >    All the i= vory keytops, the squares, were coming off. <BR>> > about 15 had be= en <BR>> > > off for quite some time, but the customer had saved= them <BR>> > and gave them to <BR>> > me <BR>> > > = to glue back on. I also gave a tug at all the rest that <BR>> > had= not come off <BR>> > yet <BR>> > > and found that most of= them were loose. I got out my <BR>> > trusty PVC-E glue and <BR>&g= t; > > proceeded to glue them all back on. <BR>> > > &nbsp= ;  My big mistake? The glue paints on very white and <BR>> &= gt; pretty, and I took it <BR>> > > for granted that it would dr= y that way and would hide the <BR>> > finger prints <BR>> > a= nd <BR>> > > other imperfections that were on the top of the key= s that <BR>> > had not had a <BR>> > > keytop on for a whi= le. When I started taking the rubber <BR>> > bands off and <BR>>= > > reinstalling the keys, I got a big surprise. PVC-E glue <BR>&g= t; > dries perfectly <BR>> > > clear, leaving all imperfectio= ns glaring through the <BR>> > keytop which were all <BR>> > = > very well glued on now. The job looks terrible, even <BR>> > t= hough there are now <BR>> > > keytops installed which I'm sure f= eel very much better <BR>> > than the key did <BR>> > > wi= thout the ivory. Even so, it is very obvious which keys <BR>> > had= been bare <BR>> > for <BR>> > > a while. Should have I us= ed another white glue, such as <BR>> > Titebond? I have <BR>> &g= t; > always stayed away from the regular white glues for <BR>> >= keytops. Anyway, a <BR>> > word <BR>> > > to the wise. Do= n't do what I did. If you are going to use <BR>> > PVC-E glue for <= BR>> > > ivory keytops, make sure the keytop surface is WHITE <B= R>> > before gluing. Lesson <BR>> > > learned. <BR>> &g= t; > <BR>> > > Richard <BR>> > > <BR>> > > = PS. The player was also rebuilt. All the bellows were <BR>> > new. = The entire part <BR>> > > that sits over the keys was in new con= dition. Much of the <BR>> > rest of the <BR>> > player <BR>&g= t; > > mechanism was gone though, so the player will never play <BR= >> > again. Anyone <BR>> > need <BR>> > > bellows? O= ther parts? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > _______________________= ________________________</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SA= NSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"></DIV><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGR= OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 PTSIZE="10" = FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><BR></FONT> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width="100%"> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="100%"></TD> <TD id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD> <TD id=INCREDIANIM vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></T= ABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BODY></HTML>