<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P>when the high treble and low bass octaves are tuned "beatless", they ARE stretched, albeit not to a great degree; in the extreme treble, because the ear often "hears" even slightly stretched octaves as "flat", some techs (I know) stretch high C to +75c or more! I don't. <BR><BR></P></DIV><BR><BR><BR>Terry Peterson <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>----Original Message Follows---- <DIV></DIV>From: Bec and John <bjsilva001@comcast.net> <DIV></DIV>Reply-To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> <DIV></DIV>To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> <DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: Tuning styles with octaves <DIV></DIV>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:00:41 -0400 <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Hi David, <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>How much stretch are you talking about, can you describe it a bit more? I don't find my double, triple, etc. octaves to be flat, but I am not aware of any "intentional" stretching that I'm doing. <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>I too am incredibly picky about beatless unisons. Though not all pianos co-operate as much as others, so sometimes it takes a while :) <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Thanks. <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>-- John <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>Hey all---- <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I have absolutely no experience with HT or WT, but I've been tuning <DIV></DIV>>good <DIV></DIV>>grands in ET for 30 years, and have got to a place where, as has <DIV></DIV>>been said <DIV></DIV>>before, the piano tells me where it wants to be vis a vis the <DIV></DIV>>stretch--- <DIV></DIV>>but ALWAYS within a very small parameter of difference, and every <DIV></DIV>>grand <DIV></DIV>>piano ALWAYS wants to be stretched.  Unless you like your double, <DIV></DIV>>triple, <DIV></DIV>>and quadruple octaves to be flat, and your arpeggios to sound <DIV></DIV>>pinched and <DIV></DIV>>unfriendly. <g>. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Beautiful, musical tuning starts with the absolute, stable precision <DIV></DIV>>of the <DIV></DIV>>temperament, which is then delivered to the rest of the piano via <DIV></DIV>>octave <DIV></DIV>>tuning; finally, the instrument starts to sing when the unisons <DIV></DIV>>become truly <DIV></DIV>>as one. It amazes me that as I grow in this craft, "setting a good <DIV></DIV>>temperament" becomes more and more precise, shimming unisons and <DIV></DIV>>making <DIV></DIV>>adjustments in incredibly small increments;   "beatless," instead of <DIV></DIV>>being a <DIV></DIV>>tiny spot, sometimes can seem like the Grand Canyon; and unisons can <DIV></DIV>>be <DIV></DIV>>stood absolutely stock still, from the moment of impact until the <DIV></DIV>>last dying <DIV></DIV>>whisper. After 30 years, I feel like I'm just beginning to <DIV></DIV>>understand what a <DIV></DIV>>really good tuning is. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>One good thing among many the EDT has brought is a return to <DIV></DIV>>open-string <DIV></DIV>>tuning---there is no more precise or fun way to tune a piano than <DIV></DIV>>with all <DIV></DIV>>the strings open and full. It's vertiginous and scary at first when <DIV></DIV>>you quit <DIV></DIV>>using the temperament strip---at least it was for me, 3 years <DIV></DIV>>ago---but <DIV></DIV>>doing it has reinvigorated my tuning pleasure and, after thousands <DIV></DIV>>and <DIV></DIV>>thousands of tunings, catapulted me into better and better work, <DIV></DIV>>which <DIV></DIV>>guarantees a successful business. <DIV></DIV>>Along with the Golden Rule. <DIV></DIV>>And coffee. <DIV></DIV>>And a buncha money. <DIV></DIV>>An' a purty gurl thankin' ah'm a big stud.....oops--- OT! OT! OT! <DIV></DIV>>OT! OT! <DIV></DIV>>OT! <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Take care, all, and be happy..... <DIV></DIV>>David Andersen <DIV></DIV>>_______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>_______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr> <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2743??PS=47575">Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!</a> </html>