<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">= <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; BORDER-T= OP-STYLE: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LE= FT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin== 7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7> <P>The tech flambe happens years down the road...and we've all been the= re...</P> <P><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, California<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5p= x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: Piannaman@aol.com<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR= >Received: 1/19/2006 3:25:00 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Lightening touch by cha= nging damper timing redux<BR><BR><FONT id=role_document face=Arial = color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV align=left>Having the dampers lift at let-off would definit= ely be too late.  What happens is when you change to lifting = the damper when the hammer is, say, 2/3 of the way to the string i= s that it is closer to let off and feels more like a longer, contiguous= bump, rather than two separate ones.  And as Dean noted, the= fingers have more speed at the point where the key contacts the u= nderlever.  Makes a big difference.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can always try it on your action model...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll be doing the warranty tuning on the 1st piano I did this= on--some 6 months ago-- next week.  I'll give a report, and am fu= lly prepared to go become Tech Flambe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave S.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:42:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, i= lvey@sbcglobal.net writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Ar= ial color=#000000 size=2> <P>Certainly we can make "small" adjustments, but lifting at let-o= ff is a way to late for me...</P> <P><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, California<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5p= x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: Erwinspiano@aol.com<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<= BR>Received: 1/19/2006 7:32:48 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Lightening touch by c= hanging damper timing redux<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 s= ize=2> <DIV> <DIV align=left> <STRONG><FONT size=3>   Richard</FO= NT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  Please hear me & with all due re= spect.  I can feel that .</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>   Actually, IMHO,  an 1/8 t= h inch in damper lift timing can make a <U><FONT size=4>HUGE</FONT> <= /U> difference in action feel especially with high ratio actions.&= nbsp; Frankly it doesnt' concern me what Seiler might think but rather = my clients.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>   There is a sweet spot for ,mos= t pianos, & when setting this up  I find it most often th= at spot to be at half travel when the key aciton cycle is at it's most = efficient & friction free spot in  movement  Picking up t= he damper prematurely can increase the feel of touch weight or heavy to= uch syndrome dramatically on some actions.   I'm always looki= ng for the optimum sweet spot when setting up a custom balnced action s= o that I don't inadvertantly sabatoge all that fiddlin & didlin I j= ust went thru to create a <U>very fluid</U> action feel.</FONT></STRONG= ></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  Regards</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  DAle Erwin</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Ar= ial color=#000000 size=2> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SI= ZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The damper timing I thought was determine= d by the manufacturer.  When the key goes down it meets a couple o= f resistance points.  <FONT size=4><U>One, the end of the key co= ntacting the damper lift lever (but who can feel that?)</U></FONT> , an= d two, the jack contacting the let off button. (which everybody can fee= l)  Since the contact between the key and damper lift lever is&nbs= p; what, 1/8 inch leeway what difference does it really make?  The= most important consideration is that dampers lift as a unit as the dam= per pedal is depressed so that “half dampening” can be utilized. </= SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SI= ZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can imagine asking any of the piano mak= ers including Seiler who show up for the National Convention where they= prefer the key to hit the damper lever and why.    ---r= ic   <A title=http://www.pnotec.com/ href="http://www.pno= tec.com/">www.pnotec.com</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DI= V> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSS= ERIF">Dave Stahl<BR><BR>Dave Stahl Piano Service<BR>650-224-3560<U><BR>= <A href="http://www.dstahlpiano.net/">http://dstahlpiano.net/</A></U>= </FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>