<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Patrick, Look forward to hearing your comparisons with pRCT. Right now, I carry the VT in a camera bag. It won't fit in my tool case with the rest of my stuff, so that's what I'm doing for now. It's a padded soft-sided case that has room for the manual and charger. A camcorder case would also work well. One technique I use helps with pitch raising and a one-pass tuning with overpull. It might also work well with RCT and other ETDs that listen to each note to calculate overpull for that individual note. The VT takes a while to measure the overpull, and this method helps speed things up a bit because the machine calculates the needed overpull before you are actually ready to tune that note. This method works with the "leapfrog" way of using two rubber mutes, and it also works with strip mutes. I use both, depending on whether I'm tuning a vertical or the spacing of the strings on a grand won't allow good muting with a strip. This method assumes you are tuning unisons as you go up and down the scale. Basically, you will be playing the next note with your left hand as you are moving the mutes and lever with your right hand. This allows the VT to calculate the overpull while you are still working on tuning two other strings.  It's easier to do than to describe in writing, so I hope you can make sense of it. Here goes.... I'm assuming you are using two rubber mutes, have measured A4 and A3, and are starting with the first tenor string...we'll assume the tenor begins with B2 and is a trichord. You have one mute between the B2 middle/right strings and one mute between the B2 right string and C3 left string, so that only the left B2 string is sounding. Tune the left B2 string. As you are pulling the mute out from the B2 middle/right strings and moving it to mute the C3 right string/C#3 left string, play C3, which should now have only the middle string sounding. (You have a free left hand as you are moving mutes and lever, correct? So play C3 now with it to let the VT calculate the overpull. It takes a couple of seconds to move the mute and lever, and this gives the VT plenty of time to make its calculations.) Now tune the B2 middle string. Now, you are ready to tune the C3 middle string.  (Because you've previously played C3, the VT has already calculated the necessary overpull, so you play it and tune right away without having to wait.) After the middle C3 string is tuned, move the mute from between the B2/C3 strings to the C#3 right string/D3 left string, playing C#3 as you are moving the mutes and lever. (Again, this gives the VT time to measure when you get ready to tune C#3.) Then tune B2 right and C3 left. Now tune C#3 middle, and move the mute ahead as you are playing D3. Does this make any sense? It's far easier to do it than to write it. Here's a crude visual illustration. The strings should be obvious, and the "V's" are the mutes. I hope it comes through OK. V V III    III   III B2  C3 C#3    V    V III    III   III B2 C3 C#3          V    V III    III    III    III B2 C3 C#3 D3 Just remember to be playing ahead as you're moving mutes and lever so the VT can calculate the overpull and have it ready when you get to that string. John Formsma PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. wrote: <blockquote cite="mid1391.62.83.183.71.1137801182.squirrel@llca734-a.servidoresdns.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">John and anyone interested, I finally received my Verituner 100 today (yep the "big box" version!). Although i only had time to use it for a few minutes before going home (if it wasn't because i promised my wife to be home for dinner i will probably have spent all night in the workshop messing about with the new device). First impressions are good so far, i quite liked the fact of starting tuning right away, the solid box, looks professional... I quite like the numbers in the middle of the spinner... i can actually see myself using those quite a lot. Anyway, i'll report more about the change from pRCT (which i intend to keep and use from t2t) to Verituner 100. I would like to ask one first question to VT100 users, do you usually carry it in the tool case (if so,any ideas to protect screen from the rest of the stuff), have made a special compartment for it or have a special bag? any pics? Any other tips for using vt are welcome ! Thanks, Patrick </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Patrick, Yes, please let me know your experience, especially since you have been using pRCT. The spinner is different. A friend of mine showed me his pRCT, and the VT has no "blush" feature to let you know when the pitch is on target. The needle on the VT is a bit "jumpy" on some pianos, but you get accustomed to interpreting the display. Since I had used the SAT previously, I was used to things being a little jumpy sometimes. John Formsma -----Original Message----- From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:17 PM To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: RCT vs. Verituner Hi John, I use pocket RCT at the moment, but have just ordered a Verituner 100. They mentioned pocket verituner was also available but decided to go for the "traditional" one, since the point of getting it in the first place was to have a device that isn't "built" in a flimsy hand held computer. I should have the new machine arriving in a couple of days, so i can let you know my thoughts as a Veritune convert from RCT. It hopefully won't take me too long to get used to the new device (i suppose the spinner will be similar). Regards from sunny Southern Spain, Patrick All the talk about the pRCT and PocketPC tends to make me almost wish I had gone with the Pocket PC w/ either RCT or pocket Verituner to reduce my "lug load." However, I'm pleased with the Verituner and don't intend to invest any more money into any other ETD unless there is a very compelling reason to do so. I've not used RCT. How does it compare with Verituner? Any Veritune converts from RCT? Any RCT converts from Verituner? Any users of the pocket Verituner version? What are the main differences with the pocket version and the regular Verituner? Anyone used both pocket Verituner and pocket RCT? Opinions? Thanks, John Formsma Patrick Hinves Ballesta Afinador/Técnico 610442371 PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. _______________________________________________ Pianotech list info: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> _______________________________________________ Pianotech list info: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Patrick Hinves Ballesta Afinador/Técnico 610442371 PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L. _______________________________________________ Pianotech list info: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>