<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>The exchange was:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Dan wrote:<BR>> ....when all other = features such as <BR>> strings, hammers, board, action tuning are correct but the = duplex is out of <BR>> tune, by tuning the duplex the sustain increases from = 100 to 300%. That is a <BR>> tone that lasts 3 to 4 seconds after tuning the = duplex scale will last from 6 <BR>> to fifteen seconds.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>If the tone only lasts 3 to 4 seconds, what = kind of piano is this that all other features such as strings, hammers, board, = action and tuning are correct? Sounds like something is broke to = me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What appears inconsistent here follows: The subject piano is = said to have good strings, good hammers, a good soundboard, a good action, and a = good tuning - and I think it is fair to say that the suggestion here is that = the piano is a good piano, in good shape, and nothing is wrong with it. My = comment was meant to suggest that if the piano only has 3 to 4 second sustain = time, that there is in fact something wrong with the piano - in fact it may be = poorly designed, or lacks appropriate downbearing, has a collapsed = soundboard - or perhaps it is the presence of the rear duplex shiny thingees that = is choking the sustain?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV> <SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- <DIV>From: "Richard Brekne" <<A href="mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no">Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no</= A>></DIV> <DIV>To: "Pianotech" <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>></DIV> <DIV>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:27 AM</DIV> <DIV>Subject: Re: S&S D Duplex -- Long & Meandering</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>> Delwin D Fandrich wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > -No, = the two things I take issue with you over are, first, your claim that<BR>> = > switching from the tuned backscale to the vertical hitch arrangement somehow<BR>> > caused the demise of the Baldwin company. This = claim has no basis in fact<BR>> > and, at best, is  misleading. The = reasons for the Baldwin company's demise<BR>> > can be easily discerned by = anyone willing to spend a few minutes studying<BR>> > the management the = company endured during the last 20 or so years of its<BR>> > = existence.<BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> Yes... so lets leave that fantastic fantasy out of = further discussion. Obviously<BR>> Dan was off on a personal blueberry hike = into the inner depths of his mind with<BR>> that one.<BR>> <BR>> = ><BR>> > And, second, I have said that I don't believe any form of backscale = tuning<BR>> > will give the sustain increases you have claimed. A = few months back you were<BR>> > claiming these increases to be between = 300% to 500% (conservatively). I now<BR>> > see that you have apparently = become a bit more conservative yourself and are<BR>> > only claiming = increases of 100% to 300%. Even these figures I find<BR>> > astonishing. We = currently have a Steinway A3 in the shop without a tuned<BR>> > backscale = that has a usable sustain time at C-64 of between 12 and 15<BR>> > seconds = (depending on how you measure sustain time). Even your more<BR>> > = conservative claims would have this increasing to somewhere between 24<BR>> > = seconds and 45 seconds just by tuning the backscale!<BR>> <BR>> And to be = fair... this is wanking the point out of any reasonble context as<BR>> well. = Of course no one means their can be 45 seconds of sustain, which means = Dan<BR>> is saying something else. So why not try and figure out what that = something else<BR>> is instead of repeating this point ? What I dont understand = is that Dan said<BR>> something about 3-4 seconds being increased to 8-9 or = something along those<BR>> lines a couple days ago... Farrel responded, and tho = I reacted I said nothing.<BR>> What (duplexed grand)  piano has a = 3-4 second sustain for what notes ? Eh Dan ?<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Del<BR>> ><BR>> > _<BR>> <BR>> = --<BR>> Richard Brekne<BR>> RPT, N.P.T.F.<BR>> UiB, Bergen, Norway<BR>> = <A href="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</A><BR>&= gt; <A href="http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html">http://home.broad= park.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> = _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org= /mailman/listinfo/pianotech</A><BR>> </BODY></HTML>