<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2>Bill:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Also, so that those who are not familiar with your = style of tuning are not mislead, the standard pitch raise function should get the = treble sharp enough if you measure/reset frequently on the way up and if you = are using standard stretching.  I recall that you mentioned that in your = tempered octaves tuning you are +75 cents by the time you get to C8.  Those = tuning with normal stretch are more likely to reach only +40.  For your = system that would require additional stretch going up.  For others, they = would end up considerably sharp of the target and have to do a lowering = before a fine tuning.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>David Love</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Billbrpt@AOL.COM = href="mailto:Billbrpt@AOL.COM">Billbrpt@AOL.COM</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> November 05, 2001 12:57 = PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Oops?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a = message dated 11/5/01 2:34:40 PM Central Standard Time, <A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.n= et</A> (David Love) writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">I thought the usual amount to overpull was 25-30% and = that the SAT calculated it at 30% based on a bottom to top pull unisons as = you go method.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Oops on my part, you're right, David.  I use = muting strips and usually use a value of 1/3 (33%) as my offset.  For a = 120% raise, this would mean +40 cents. <BR><BR>Even if this amount were = adjusted as the tuning progressed, it would hardly seem possible for each note to = settle to within +/- 2 cents of target pitch which would be the minimum = amount needed for a fine tuning. <BR><BR>By the way, I may have jinxed myself by = making that "Krummy Konsole" remark.  My first appointment this morning was a = 45 year old Art Deco Baldwin (the kind it takes at least 20 years experience = to know how to take apart), -70 cents low in pitch and virtually all hammers = stuck with verdigris. <BR><BR>I always try to look at this kind of thing on = the positive side:  I know how to take it apart, I know how to raise = the pitch and I have Protek which will free the sticking hammer butt = flanges.  I told her what a lovely, unique looking piano she has and that = it would take just a little more than usual to get it working and in tune. =  I raised the pitch in a 2 pass tuning to -20 cents.  I did what I = know how to do and got double the usual fee and was still on time to my next appointment.  She was more than pleased to pay the fee. <BR><BR>I = also unplugged the uncontrolled dehumidifier and explained why.  When = I was asked when it should be tuned again (instead of *telling* her) I = simply said "...whenever you feel that the *music* requires it." <BR><BR>Bill = Bremmer RPT <BR>Madison, Wisconsin</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>