<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-= 1"> <META content="IncrediMail 1.0" name=GENERATOR>  </HEAD> <BODY style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0px 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px= 10px 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bgColor=#ffffff background="" scroll== yes ORGYPOS="0"> <TABLE id=INCREDIMAINTABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100= %" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; CURSOR: auto; FONT-F= AMILY: Arial" width="100%"> <DIV> This was the first question you asked in your post</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Also, can this be done without removing the hamme= r butts from the rail (I can't imagine how....)?</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>I then gave you</STRONG> <STRONG>two alternat= ives. I have never done them in the piano, but if this is a Ho hum piano,= unless the leathers are down to the wood I would not bother. If the leat= hers are badly worn, then so are the Check felts, center pins, damper tai= ls,key bushings,etc...where do you stop?</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>I just reread your post.....butt leathers alr= eady falling off!!!.....what else is about to fall off?</FONT></STRONG></= DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Best of luck</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Robin</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></D= IV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=receivestrings> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="m= ailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 09/30/05 21:= 13:00</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mai= lto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: Reglu= e Butt Leather</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; rem_PADDING-LEFT: 5p= x; rem_MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; rem_BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><EM>----- Original Message ----- <BR></EM= ></DIV> <TABLE id=mod_EDIMAINTABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100= %" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=mod_EDITEXTREGION style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; CURSOR: auto; FONT-F= AMILY: Arial" width="100%"> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2> Terry...Undo the tapes and support the acti= on at 45 degrees. Then dab each Butt leather with boiling water using a s= mall paint brush. Don't apply it like I read from someone on this&nb= sp;list, who applied CA glue and had it running everwhere!!!.... Repeat&n= bsp;painting with boiling water two or three times and the leather s= hould just about fall off. I thought of steam, but I think the escaping s= team close to other parts could be a problem.</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>This sounds like you are doing this without removing the hammer butt= s. Is that correct? As far as removing the original butt leather, I don't= need to steam anything - that is the affliction with this piano, the lea= ther has come unglued - they fall out already!</DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>I normally remove the hammers and holding about 1= 0 Butts with my thumb and third fingers making sure that the tapes a= re also being held out of the way I then suspend the butt leather just on= top of boiling water in a saucepan for as long as it takes to wet the le= athers. No more than 2-3 seconds.</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>It takes about 10-15 minutes to do a full se= t twice. Most of the leathers just drop off into the boiling water</= FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV>Now I'm confused - you are removing the hammer butts (I'm assuming y= ou don't really remove the hammers from the shanks)? And, like I said, it= is not a problem removing the original leather - it is falling off. My q= uestion is for gluing the new leather in - can that be done without remov= ing the hammer butts?</DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>  ...Just another thought...how are you= going to manage cutting the leather to the right width if you don't own = a guillotine? </FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV>I do own a guillotine. I just haven't been able to find it for the p= ast year or two. There are ways for absent-minded people to compensate. ;= -)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And actually, I haven't decided whether to recommend replacement of = the leathers or to simply re-glue the originals. The originals are in goo= d shape, although they do have the jack imprint in them. The regulation o= n the piano was good as it was - I have some concern that new leather wou= ld then need to be followed with action regulation - and of course, the o= wner of this Winter spinet does not wish to do that!</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Where is my next soundboard order so that I don't have to be subject= ed to this kind of work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ;-)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Robin Stevens ARPT</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>South Australia </FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage><EM><FONT size=2>-------Original Messa= ge-------</FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>I'm looking for opinions on how&nbsp= ;much time should be required to re-glue 88 hammer butt leather= s on a Winter spinet (don't ask - family heirloom).</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>Also, can this be done without remov= ing the hammer butts from the rail (I can't imagine how....)?</EM></FONT>= </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>Interesting (and crappy) piano - 194= 9, aluminum plate (Alcoa), independant lyre, fancy case - this one is in = good original condition.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>Thanks.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>Terry Farrell</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD id=mod_EDIFOOTER width="100%"><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></TD= ></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width="100%"> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="100%"></TD> <TD id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD> <TD id=INCREDIANIM vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></T= ABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BODY></HTML>