<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>The current NY Steinway color made by Walter Wurdack = is less yellow and more bronze.  I noticed, however, while tuning a new = Hamburg A this week that the color on those plates is much more the old style = yellowish gold.  Very nice color.  I also noticed that it has a satin = finish on it unlike the glossy finishes of many plates I see.   It would = be nice if anyone knows whether the lacquer on those Hamburg plates is available = in a can and where it might be had.  They sometimes produce aerosol = versions for touch up work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>David Love  </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=Erwinspiano@AOL.COM href="mailto:Erwinspiano@AOL.COM">Erwinspiano@AOL.COM</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> ; <A title=jgrassi@silverlink.net href="mailto:jgrassi@silverlink.net">jgrassi@silverlink.net</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: July 26, 2002 6:59 = PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: Fw: Shaft from = Schaff on Piano Gold Paint</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>In a message dated 7/26/2002 9:13:45 AM = Pacific Daylight Time, <A = href="mailto:cmpiano@attbi.com">cmpiano@attbi.com</A> = writes:          </FO= NT>      Hi = Jeannie Carl           I'm = late on this thread but I'd like to go on record as saying that I have seen = only one plate ever sprayed with a can that looked first class. Most have = a  green or bronzish/brown look that doesn't even vaguely resemble the original = color. Perhaps there are better spray can finishes I'm not aware of but I = frequently refinish plates that have had this treatment  and find that often = the spray canned on finish has turned brittle as well as the under = coat.  This turns into a more complicated job as it isn't prudent to spray a = new finish over an already brittle one. It must be stripped down . = Stripping it is less problematic than sand blasting as the black original under coat = is usually salvageable  =         I've found  a blend of bronzing powders from an outfit back east Bob = Corey & associates 516-485-5544 that allows for a variety of bronzing = colors. No.s 99 96 are part of my mix plus a starr product which adds the = yellow to the color. The one we blend is close to many original colors that = contain a quite yellow base. Our mixed color is about the color of polished = brass. Two tablespoons of the mixed powders toa  small spray gun cup of = acrylic gloss lacquer. Its easy to spray (hey I can do it) it covers well. Two = coats to cover and two coats of gloss over that gives a plate finish way = better than most factories put out. This is a resielint chip resistent finish that = stays pliable which avoids the stringer/reassembly damage and looks stunning = with a new finish. This bronze mix can be mixed in nitro cellulose as well = but it's more fragile. This process can be done in a four hours or less not = including stripping. Flame suit on! . >>>>>>>>.Dale Erwin--->>>>>>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE"> Jeannie:  I'd like to add that I haven't = used any undercoat or primer nor any sealer.  Just the Aervoe rust proof = paint by itself.  Just put on one coat to see the results, then fill = and sand.  One more light followed by a medium coat in 30 minutes = is all I do.  I haven't noticed any tarnishing or any problem.  = However time may tell.  Carl ----- Original Message = ----- From: "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@attbi.com> To: "Jeannie = Grassi" <jgrassi@silverlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold = Paint Of course Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG Santa Clara, California cmpiano@attbi.com ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Jeannie Grassi" <jgrassi@silverlink.net> To: <cmpiano@attbi.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:48 = PM Subject: RE: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint > Hi = Carl, > May I use this for TT&T in the Journal? > Thanks, > Jeannie > > Jeannie Grassi, RPT > Associate = Editor, Piano Technicians Journal > mailto:jgrassi@silverlink.net > = > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Carl = Meyer > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:51 PM > To: = pianotech@ptg.org > Subject: Re: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint > > = > Aervoe-Pacific Co.  in Gardnerville NE. has a great gold rust proof > paint No 311.  I've used it for several years = since I bought a case of > quarts and a case of aerosols.  It has = now clumped a bit so I need to > mix like mad and strain through = panty hose, but I like it.  When I first > got it I sprayed a = rusty piece of steel and hung it on the fence.  A > year later = it was still fine. > > My price list is two years old, but it = was then $2.75 for a 16 oz can. > I do think they have a min order of = at least $50. I've also bought > several cases of their mold release = (teflon spray).  934 tfe dry film > lube @ $4.94 per 16 oz.  = Works great on knuckles, etc.  > > Web site www.aervoe.com  They have a distribution site in Ill. I = think. > > Did I say I like the stuff?  It has a slightly green = tinge but looks > quite nice.  A new product at slightly higher = cost is their 5003 gold > royal coat.  I haven't used it = yet.  I still have enough of the other > old stuff for now.  FWIW. > > Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG > Santa = Clara, California > cmpiano@attbi.com > > ----- = Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Holley" <gholley@hi-techhousing.com> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:18 AM > Subject: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint > = > > > List.  I placed an order with Schaff for piano = gold spray paint on > > Tuesday and not receiving the order I called = just now and they now > > say, "Oh, we don't carry that any more, = our supplier doesn't have > > it".  And then they asked = if I hadn't received a call from some one > > telling me of the = shortage.  NO, no call, no paint.  Now, where have = > > you purchased your piano gold paint for plates?.  Lowes, = Sherwin > > Williams, etc ?.  Any suggestions?  Thanks = and regards, Gordon > > Holley, Goshen, Indiana. > > = > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>